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PFT, suspensions could be thrown out on technicality error by NFL
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:28 pm
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Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:35 pm to BTRDD
That'd be funny
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:45 pm to BTRDD
That should be the outcome. Rules are rules, Goodell.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:53 pm to John McClane
Not sure what's been better, reading Florio's bombs or reading the goofy arse comments below his articles.
I highly doubt that this event will change anything but one has to almost laugh at the sheer incompetence of the NFL's case presentation.
I highly doubt that this event will change anything but one has to almost laugh at the sheer incompetence of the NFL's case presentation.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:59 pm to BTRDD
I was really wondering about this.
I mean, I had read before that each side HAD to give up its evidence 72 hours before the appeal started, which would be Friday some time.
The NFL did send some evidence, but it was flimsy and mostly recycled.
Their better evidence didn't appear until the afternoon of the appeals.
I was curious why no one thought that was strange.
So, who punishes the NFL for breaking the rules of the CBA?
Is it Goodell?
I mean, I had read before that each side HAD to give up its evidence 72 hours before the appeal started, which would be Friday some time.
The NFL did send some evidence, but it was flimsy and mostly recycled.
Their better evidence didn't appear until the afternoon of the appeals.
I was curious why no one thought that was strange.
So, who punishes the NFL for breaking the rules of the CBA?
Is it Goodell?
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:01 pm to John McClane
LOL Goodell is an idiot.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:07 pm to Hoodoo Man
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So, who punishes the NFL for breaking the rules of the CBA?
Arbiter I assume
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:25 pm to BTRDD
As a federal agent who was first a union steward and now a manager, I can tell you that if you violate the CBA, you're screwed. I've dealt with CBAs from both sides of the fence. I haven't read the particulars in this instance, but I can tell you that if it's clear cut and the 72 hours turns out to be 72 hours and 5 minutes, the NFL is in serious jeopardy. You have to be a stickler here. After all, if you allow the NFL to go 77 hours instead of 72 hours, what happens when the NFL violates the 72 hour rule again? They'll be able to say, "Well, we did it before and it was fine."
There are vague articles in any CBA such as, "both labor and management will promote health and safety" that are left to wide interpretation. Then there are hard and fast deadlines that have no wiggle room. They are what they are and can't be interpreted or reasoned around.
In addition, when handling evidence and preparing discovery for the defense, I have exactly 10 calendar days to push it out. Not 11 days, not 10 days, 2 hours. If I don't get a waiver from a judge, my case is thrown out. Call it a technicality, call it whatever. But if Goodell violated the rules, any arbitrator in the country will rule in favor for the players in less time than it takes to finish his chocolate doughnut.
There are vague articles in any CBA such as, "both labor and management will promote health and safety" that are left to wide interpretation. Then there are hard and fast deadlines that have no wiggle room. They are what they are and can't be interpreted or reasoned around.
In addition, when handling evidence and preparing discovery for the defense, I have exactly 10 calendar days to push it out. Not 11 days, not 10 days, 2 hours. If I don't get a waiver from a judge, my case is thrown out. Call it a technicality, call it whatever. But if Goodell violated the rules, any arbitrator in the country will rule in favor for the players in less time than it takes to finish his chocolate doughnut.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:30 pm to BTRDD
god i hope this leads to the downfall of goodell
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:44 pm to ClientNumber9
quote:
As a federal agent who was first a union steward and now a manager, I can tell you that if you violate the CBA, you're screwed. I've dealt with CBAs from both sides of the fence. I haven't read the particulars in this instance, but I can tell you that if it's clear cut and the 72 hours turns out to be 72 hours and 5 minutes, the NFL is in serious jeopardy. You have to be a stickler here. After all, if you allow the NFL to go 77 hours instead of 72 hours, what happens when the NFL violates the 72 hour rule again? They'll be able to say, "Well, we did it before and it was fine."
There are vague articles in any CBA such as, "both labor and management will promote health and safety" that are left to wide interpretation. Then there are hard and fast deadlines that have no wiggle room. They are what they are and can't be interpreted or reasoned around.
In addition, when handling evidence and preparing discovery for the defense, I have exactly 10 calendar days to push it out. Not 11 days, not 10 days, 2 hours. If I don't get a waiver from a judge, my case is thrown out. Call it a technicality, call it whatever. But if Goodell violated the rules, any arbitrator in the country will rule in favor for the players in less time than it takes to finish his chocolate doughnut.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:54 pm to Eighteen
My favorite response:
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The CBA giveth, and the CBA taketh away.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:10 am to ClientNumber9
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ClientNumber9
Hell of a post.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:28 am to BTRDD
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suspensions could be thrown out on technicality
I wonder if that's the plan. Goodell is either a crazy, arrogant megalomaniac, in which case the owners would be stepping in and doing damage control, or he has an exit strategy.
If he lets this play out and he has no true evidence then he looks bad and it emboldens the union to fight him.
If the players get off on a technicality his culture change shock and awe message was still sent, the players are relieved and move on rather than seeing Vilma as a martyr that unifies the players against Goodell, and the NFL gets to say "we tried to push player safety but he players union fought against us on the issue."
I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but that actually seems like a better exit strategy than letting this play out in court or settling in a way that makes Goodell look weak like having some one else decide the player punishment.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:36 am to TigerinATL
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I wonder if that's the plan. Goodell is either a crazy, arrogant megalomaniac, in which case the owners would be stepping in and doing damage control, or he has an exit strategy.
If he lets this play out and he has no true evidence then he looks bad and it emboldens the union to fight him.
If the players get off on a technicality his culture change shock and awe message was still sent, the players are relieved and move on rather than seeing Vilma as a martyr that unifies the players against Goodell, and the NFL gets to say "we tried to push player safety but he players union fought against us on the issue."
I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but that actually seems like a better exit strategy than letting this play out in court or settling in a way that makes Goodell look weak like having some one else decide the player punishment.
Now THAT is a good conspiracy theory right there!!!
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:42 am to ClientNumber9
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But if Goodell violated the rules, any arbitrator in the country will rule in favor for the players in less time than it takes to finish his chocolate doughnut.
I understood everything you said, but this was my favorite part.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:46 am to BTRDD
What about the final couple of paragraphs, that could be a way for the NFL to get out of that?
I also wonder if that is why Vilma left after the break and didn't come back for the afternoon session? Unless I'm reading at wrong, if the info was given at 1:30 on June 15th and the interview was at 10am on June 18th, if Vilma simply leaves after an hour, can he say he showed up at the correct time, which was less than 72 hours before?
This whole thing is just fascinating to me. All of it.
I also wonder if that is why Vilma left after the break and didn't come back for the afternoon session? Unless I'm reading at wrong, if the info was given at 1:30 on June 15th and the interview was at 10am on June 18th, if Vilma simply leaves after an hour, can he say he showed up at the correct time, which was less than 72 hours before?
This whole thing is just fascinating to me. All of it.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:51 am to CocoLoco
So this begs the question: is it time for a lil' pre-fap?
Posted on 6/20/12 at 8:13 am to TigerinATL
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If the players get off on a technicality his culture change shock and awe message was still sent, the players are relieved and move on rather than seeing Vilma as a martyr that unifies the players against Goodell, and the NFL gets to say "we tried to push player safety but he players union fought against us on the issue."
Vilma's lawsuit doesn't have to go away. The damage is done. I wouldn't be surprised if he presses the issue, especially given the NFLs incompetence in handling this. I truly believe this whole fiasco is Roger Goodells arrogance. He needed a way to show the league is tough on player safety, the Saints provided him with it. The Coaches have no protection via a union or CBA, so what choice do they have but to go along with it? I figure he thought the players would just fall in line too.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 8:33 am to elprez00
My thing is this, Goodell has said that he's open all week through Friday for the players to come and make that appeal. Can Goodell say that he has given 72 hours since he released evidence on Monday and gave them all week to come back?
Posted on 6/20/12 at 8:37 am to Patrick O Rly
I just asked Jeeves, yes.
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