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Non-commitable Offers
Posted on 5/18/12 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 5/18/12 at 9:25 pm
Im fairly new to the recruiting board (insert joke here), but I have no idea what a non-commitable offer accomplishes.. Does it show the prospect and the recruiting world that the program is officially interested and are doing their homework on the kids? Is the non-commitable offer just a publicity stunt that helps keep borderline prospects interested?
IMO it seems like a back-handed compliment.. If I was Adam Taylor or Rashard Robinson (which I'm not) I would feel slighted. Both guys reportedly thought their offers were commitable and had their commitments "revoked".
IMO it seems like a back-handed compliment.. If I was Adam Taylor or Rashard Robinson (which I'm not) I would feel slighted. Both guys reportedly thought their offers were commitable and had their commitments "revoked".
Posted on 5/18/12 at 9:35 pm to LSU Nguyener
It was a misunderstanding on Taylor and Robinson's parts.
Non-commitable just means the staff wants to see the player in person or at their camps before making it a committable offer. For Taylor, they want to see how he runs after the knee injury. For Robinson, he recently came out of nowhere so they want to see him in a camp setting before making it official.
Every college does it, you just don't hear it as much since we focus on LSU more
Non-commitable just means the staff wants to see the player in person or at their camps before making it a committable offer. For Taylor, they want to see how he runs after the knee injury. For Robinson, he recently came out of nowhere so they want to see him in a camp setting before making it official.
Every college does it, you just don't hear it as much since we focus on LSU more
Posted on 5/18/12 at 9:36 pm to LSU Nguyener
The greatest trick Rivals ever pulled was convincing the world that non-commitable offers existed.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 9:59 pm to Cash
Not grasping the trick since it's widely known that non committable offers do indeed exist. We've offered close to 100 kids. Trust me nowhere near that would be accepted.
To the OP, I understand the purpose of them,to generate interest from the prospect, but am stridently against them. I think more harm than good can come from them. They are so widespread though that really the harm is virtually meaningless at this point. Just part of the process now.
To the OP, I understand the purpose of them,to generate interest from the prospect, but am stridently against them. I think more harm than good can come from them. They are so widespread though that really the harm is virtually meaningless at this point. Just part of the process now.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:51 pm to lsufanva
Pretty much a glorified camp invite eh.. Do you guys know if Taylor or Robinson are still in love w LSU, or did they take a step back?
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:30 pm to LSU Nguyener
No such thing as a "non-committable offer". Just something made up on football forums awhile back and people ran with it. Hell "noncommittable" isn't even a f-ing word.
It's called a conditional offer in contract law. That's what it should be called in recruiting terms as well; i.e. this offer is conditional on (1) our evaluation, (2), a date you can accept it (3) performance/ grades, etc. (4) this other guy committing elsewhere.
A conditional offer is an offer that can't be accepted until certain conditions are met.
If its not this then its basically not truly an offer at all.
It's called a conditional offer in contract law. That's what it should be called in recruiting terms as well; i.e. this offer is conditional on (1) our evaluation, (2), a date you can accept it (3) performance/ grades, etc. (4) this other guy committing elsewhere.
A conditional offer is an offer that can't be accepted until certain conditions are met.
If its not this then its basically not truly an offer at all.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 8:19 am to LSU Nguyener
The "problem" is caused by the desire to maximize talent within the numbers constraints combined with the general uncertainty with recruiting players. In other words, a team has need for talent and a ranking of prospects; there are only so many you can sign; there is no certainty in signing any particular player; and the best decide when they choose to decide. There is no other way to effectively play the game.
All offers as written are conditional. The condition is simply that you must confer with the coaching staff (usually the head coach) before committing because things may have changed since the offer was made, or most likely that the game hasn't progressed enough for them to know where a play stands.
Some players are good enough or the position need is great enough without a lot of options that the coaches will accept their commitment right away. For others it may be about evaluation, pecking order, a player's grades, or whatever else and their commitment will not be accepted at that time. Theoretically, communications should be good enough so players know where they stand, but we're dealing with humans here. Coaches are incredibly busy and many recruits are not that sophisticated. shite happens sometimes. Anyone who thinks they could do better is naive.
All offers as written are conditional. The condition is simply that you must confer with the coaching staff (usually the head coach) before committing because things may have changed since the offer was made, or most likely that the game hasn't progressed enough for them to know where a play stands.
Some players are good enough or the position need is great enough without a lot of options that the coaches will accept their commitment right away. For others it may be about evaluation, pecking order, a player's grades, or whatever else and their commitment will not be accepted at that time. Theoretically, communications should be good enough so players know where they stand, but we're dealing with humans here. Coaches are incredibly busy and many recruits are not that sophisticated. shite happens sometimes. Anyone who thinks they could do better is naive.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 12:07 pm to Indiana Tiger
the problem is recruitniks and coaches understand this but not 16 year old kids. if a coach tells you that you have an offer and we want you then kid has to believe he can accept. thus, guys go public with it. I seriously doubt if schools tell kids that there are 4 CONDITIONS to the offer.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 3:23 pm to Larry Hollins
Often the team will tell the kids they have an offer, but they have to come to camp to prove they are the best. Until then they can't "commit". It's one giant dog and pony show.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 4:25 pm to oilattorney4lsu
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No such thing as a "non-committable offer". Just something made up on football forums awhile back and people ran with it. Hell "noncommittable" isn't even a f-ing word.
It's called a conditional offer in contract law. That's what it should be called in recruiting terms as well; i.e. this offer is conditional on (1) our evaluation, (2), a date you can accept it (3) performance/ grades, etc. (4) this other guy committing elsewhere.
A conditional offer is an offer that can't be accepted until certain conditions are met.
If its not this then its basically not truly an offer at all.
Exactly. You would think that upon seeing certain players' Rivals offer sheet (especially the lower ranked prospects) that they would jump on the chance to commit to bigger programs (i.e. 3 stars that are offered by LSU, Bama, Texas, Ohio State, etc.). Although you hit the nail on the head..certain conditions must be met for the prospect to "pull the trigger."
Posted on 5/19/12 at 8:54 pm to brewhan davey
I can't speak to the legal definition as the attorney poster did but I can read what he posted and determine that , even though noncommittable might not be a word or a legal definition , what he described is the exact definition of what everyone calls a noncommittable offer, so in reality it's just semantics. The legal definition and the slang definition are the exact same thing. You know how many words are in the dictionary that weren't real words before they were made popular and officially became words? Bootylicious anyone? It's in the dictionary. If that can be there then we can claim noncommittable as a word. Not one poster including the OP doesn't know what is meant when we say noncommittable offer. The basis was to guage how others felt about the practice of noncommittable or conditional offers. If we really want to break things down to the letter of the law then we currently have 10 commits whose offers are conditional or noncommittable since not one kid committted has an official offer right now. Not one of them. They aren't allowed until August. So technically we could have commits whose offers are "conditional" or "noncommittable". Yet there is a whole industry based around kids who have committed to or been offered these unofficial offers. It's common sense. No legal definition is needed though as with most that is posted on the board, it is appreciated.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 9:10 pm to GeauxAggie972
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It was a misunderstanding on Taylor and Robinson's parts.
It wasn't really a misunderstanding on Taylor's part. He basically said "Consider me a commit, because I will meet all of the conditions on my offer." We're waiting to see how he performs at camp and he's avowed that he will perform well enough for us to accept his commitment.
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