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re: SIAP- Vilma sues Goodell for defamation
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:14 pm to kclsufan
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:14 pm to kclsufan
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It totally skirts the issue and is meaningless dribble.
Sounds to me like they are admitting that they don't care if they have legit evidence.
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our commitment to player safety and the integrity of the game is our main consideration. We recognize that not everyone will agree with decisions that need to be made.
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:20 pm to TigerinATL
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't Vilma have to prove Goodell basically had it out for him and wanted him punished with or without cause.
He may be vidicated and shown not to have contributed or participated in a bounty program, but if they don't prove Goodell showed malice towards Vilma it is all for naught.
He may be vidicated and shown not to have contributed or participated in a bounty program, but if they don't prove Goodell showed malice towards Vilma it is all for naught.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:26 pm to purplepylon
One thing's for sure; Goodell can't agree to any settlement, not even for a $1. If he does, it will be a public admission that Vilma was right. If he can't get this dismissed (and there seems to be a good chance he can), then it's all coming out.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:29 pm to purplepylon
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if they don't prove Goodell showed malice towards Vilma it is all for naught.
I guess this is the point:
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Goodell knew and intended that the contents of the March 2 Club Report would be disseminated publicly.
Also, in the document filed, they repeat this phrase:
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were reported, and continue to be reported, by essentially every major news organization, as Goodell intended.
So I guess they are saying that Goodell let out information with the intent to defame Vilma.
This post was edited on 5/17/12 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:38 pm to SaintEB
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So I guess they are saying that Goodell let out information with the intent to defame Vilma.
Am I right to assume that the intent to defame would depend on the evidence that Goodell was working with? Without good evidence to back up what he did to Vilma Goodell would look like he over reacted.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:39 pm to Chrome
I don't know. I'm not good at lawyer lingo.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:41 pm to SaintEB
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I don't know. I'm not good at lawyer lingo.
Just make shite up. That's what Goodell does.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:54 pm to EarthwormJim
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The issue would be did Gooddell have any evidence to suspend Vilma for a year and make him the bad guy in this bounty thing.
Does hearsay about an offer to take out opponents mean Gooddell has the right to suspend and defame Vilma?
I don't believe this is correct. An employer can suspend or fire an employee for just about any reason, but the employer cannot go public with slander. Had Goodell just suspended Vilma without publicly stating why, then Vilma has no suit, but Goodell made very public statements includeing bringing in a former federal prosecutor to state that Vilma was particpating in a "bounty" system. This is slander.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 4:56 pm to BTRDD
The judge assigned to the case is Ginger Berrigan, who's a grad of LSU law school. 
This post was edited on 5/17/12 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:05 pm to kclsufan
Most important question: Is she a ginger???
Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:20 pm to purplepylon
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if they don't prove Goodell showed malice towards Vilma it is all for naught.
Taking away one year of his career and salary sounds like malice to me. Ruining his reputation sounds like malice to me.
Think about this for a minute: before Big Ben's suspension FOR RAPING MULTIPLE WOMEN, Goodell met with him and was willing to reduce the suspension.
Vilma found out about his suspension the same way we all did. And there is no way for it to be reduced. And his reputation has been forever sullied.
Is that not malice?
Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:52 pm to kclsufan
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The judge assigned to the case is Ginger Berrigan, who's a grad of LSU law school
Bet everyone's regretting shitting on those "Saints should draft LSU player X" and all the Saints fans arent necessarily LSU fans comments.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 7:11 pm to jacks40
Quick question to the attorneys here. Can Vilma use Goodell's prior punishment of players for on/off field actions as a "measuring stick" for his' Vilma's, punishment being sever and above the norm? Also using the severity of the allegations and prior proof of other players infractions in the same manner?
Posted on 5/17/12 at 7:24 pm to 10888bge
Where Is Tortious Tiger? 
Posted on 5/17/12 at 7:33 pm to dave11
My guess -- Vilma and the Player's Association asked Goddell and the NFL for all the evidence against them. Goddell probably told them, "frick you. This isn't a court of law and we aren't required to give you shite."
So, Vilma filed suit strictly to get all the evidence. Even if Vilma was involved in any sort of bounty program, he can merely drop the suit once the NFL is required to comply with the discovery request.
So, Vilma filed suit strictly to get all the evidence. Even if Vilma was involved in any sort of bounty program, he can merely drop the suit once the NFL is required to comply with the discovery request.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 7:44 pm to Sophandros
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Taking away one year of his career and salary sounds like malice to me. Ruining his reputation sounds like malice to me.
Think about this for a minute: before Big Ben's suspension FOR RAPING MULTIPLE WOMEN, Goodell met with him and was willing to reduce the suspension.
Vilma found out about his suspension the same way we all did. And there is no way for it to be reduced. And his reputation has been forever sullied.
Is that not malice?
preach it, soph
Posted on 5/17/12 at 7:45 pm to 10888bge
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Can Vilma use Goodell's prior punishment of players for on/off field actions as a "measuring stick" for his' Vilma's, punishment being sever and above the norm?
This is simply a defamation suit. Goddell's authority and the severity of the punishment is irrelevant.
All this suit is about is Vilma's allegation that Goddell said something publicly that is both false, and, because Vilma is probably considered a "celebrity," was made with the intent to do harm, or with reckless disregard for the truth.
Like I've stated, I'm guessing that this is Vilma's (and the NFLPA's) way of getting all the evidence that the NFL has refused to give them.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:04 pm to Newbomb Turk
Can the extent of the punishment be used to substantiate Vilma's claim that said punishment was overly harsh with the intention of defaming his character and such? When you take into account the several head stomping incidents, arm stomping H2H hits and other off field issues. The only reason I bring up off the field issue is that Goodell has filed his ruling under off the field conduct rules and that being said its comparative to lets say????? sexual assault violations.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:39 pm to Sophandros
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Taking away one year of his career and salary sounds like malice to me. Ruining his reputation sounds like malice to me.
Think about this for a minute: before Big Ben's suspension FOR RAPING MULTIPLE WOMEN, Goodell met with him and was willing to reduce the suspension.
Vilma found out about his suspension the same way we all did. And there is no way for it to be reduced. And his reputation has been forever sullied.
Is that not malice?
I don't think you understand what malice means in a legal context. Taking away a year of his career and salary in itself is not malice. There are many legitimate reasons why a commissioner would do that.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 9:39 pm to efrad
Wow look at all the experts lawyers we have on here 
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