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*Book Readers Only* Lets discuss Jamie Lannister & GOT 'what-if' scenarios
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:34 pm
Has there ever been a character that you hated so much, and just totally despised, only to really start to like him?
At this point in the TV show, I'm sure he is either forgotten or hated by the non-readers. But he alone save thousands of people from the Mad King.
Aerys had given the orders to blow up the city, and he killed the messenger and the king.
He also regretted what he did to Bran, only not thinking of nothing in that moment but keeping the family name clear.
Sure he has a sick love for Cersi, but that love has passed. Especially while she waited trial by the seven.
I think he will be seen as one of the ultimate heros of the "Song of Ice and Fire" maybe even stating on in the Kingsguard.
I wonder how he feels about Tyrion, after letting him escape? As in his mind he killed his father and Son.
I spend a good bit of time thinking Jaime gets glanced over, when he really is a central figure in the story. I hope Catelyn hurries and frees him so we can start seeing his exploits again.
At this point in the TV show, I'm sure he is either forgotten or hated by the non-readers. But he alone save thousands of people from the Mad King.
Aerys had given the orders to blow up the city, and he killed the messenger and the king.
He also regretted what he did to Bran, only not thinking of nothing in that moment but keeping the family name clear.
Sure he has a sick love for Cersi, but that love has passed. Especially while she waited trial by the seven.
I think he will be seen as one of the ultimate heros of the "Song of Ice and Fire" maybe even stating on in the Kingsguard.
I wonder how he feels about Tyrion, after letting him escape? As in his mind he killed his father and Son.
I spend a good bit of time thinking Jaime gets glanced over, when he really is a central figure in the story. I hope Catelyn hurries and frees him so we can start seeing his exploits again.
This post was edited on 5/2/12 at 5:17 pm
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Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:37 pm to Napoleon
Jamie Lannister is the single greatest example of Martin's brilliance at character development.
I tell people who disagree with whether or not Martin is one of the greatest writers of our generation to read ASOIAF and get back to me at the end of each book and tell me how you feel about Jamie Lannister.
I tell people who disagree with whether or not Martin is one of the greatest writers of our generation to read ASOIAF and get back to me at the end of each book and tell me how you feel about Jamie Lannister.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:39 pm to Green Chili Tiger
my favorite moment is when he gives the Lannister version of Ice to Brienne. Ned Stark's sword to protect the stark's children 
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:39 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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get back to me at the end of each book and tell me how you feel about Jamie Lannister.
exactly I hated him in the first two books, now he is my favorite.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:42 pm to CE Tiger
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my favorite moment is when he gives the Lannister version of Ice to Brienne. Ned Stark's sword to protect the stark's children
That was clutch, it was given to him by Twinn, who made two swords from Ice.
I'm hoping Bran and seeing through the weirwoods comes into play with Jaime. Will Bran forgive him?
Looks like Bran will be like Bloodraven, only more powerful.
Maybe he can warg to a dragon.
Or really it would be cool if Jon wargs into one and sees Dany through its eyes, before being brought back by the Red God.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:43 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Jamie Lannister is the single greatest example of Martin's brilliance at character development.
I tell people who disagree with whether or not Martin is one of the greatest writers of our generation to read ASOIAF and get back to me at the end of each book and tell me how you feel about Jamie Lannister.
This pretty much, his first 2-3 chapters in ASOS are just an amazing example of role reversal and changing peoples minds.
I can't see him having a happy ending though, no way Dany could ever forgive him for what happened to her family, justified or not. I could see him going out in a blaze of glory and redemption though.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:43 pm to Napoleon
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I think he will be seen as one of the ultimate heros of the "Song of Ice and Fire" maybe even stating on in the Kingsguard.
I tend to think the same thing. I hope so at least.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:44 pm to CE Tiger
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my favorite moment is when he gives the Lannister version of Ice to Brienne. Ned Stark's sword to protect the stark's childre
So if Brienne actually saves Rickon will Jamie be completely redeemed.
He did not kill Bran but meerely injured him which, come to find out, did not alter his eventual fate anyway (At least I thinkit didn't).
He killed the mad king but that actually turns out to an act that saved thousands.
He will end up repudiating Cersei.
Jamie for PRESIDENT!!!
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:48 pm to Napoleon
Jaime is a top 3/4 character for me, and I think the actor has him nailed. Cant wait to see his and Brienne's interactions. I'm also very curious to find out more about this
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I wonder how he feels about Tyrion, after letting him escape? As in his mind he killed his father and Son.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:48 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Without Vargo Hoat, how is Jamie's sword hand going to be hacked off? With all the changes coming this year, I'm wondering whether Vargo Hoat and his band will be included.
:/hijack:
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:52 pm to auyushu
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. I could see him going out in a blaze of glory and redemption though.
I think Jamie will be the one that ends up killing Cersie.
Maggy prophesied:
"Gold shall be their crowns, and gold their shrouds. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
Valonqar is High Valyrian for "little brother".
Cersie thinks that means Tyrion, but it was remarked fairly early on that Jamie was born holding on to Cersie's ankle which makes him the "little brother".
This post was edited on 5/2/12 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:54 pm to auyushu
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I could see him going out in a blaze of glory and redemption though.
He could sacrifice himself for the good of the realm.
From watching the show, it seems as though Ned and Robert were the "good" guys and the Bartheon's were well loved by all.
But when you look into it more, Rhaegar was the most revered person in the land. He was bookish and very smart, yet also a skilled warrior.
It was rumored that he was going to plan a coup at Harrenhal and overthrow his father.
But he took "Robert's Love" away/
But if you look into it, it seems as though Lilliana never loved Robert because he was a whore-monger, and could never settle. Robert did love her though. The evidence suggest that Rhaegar loved her and she loved him back, but was already promised to Robert.
Rhaegar even left Kingsguard behind to protect her, a sign that she bore royal blood.
It seems as though maybe Robert was "the bad guy" for killing Rhaegar, but did nothing wrong but love a woman who loved him. And that the realm would be at peace if only Rhaegar was allowed to overthrow his father. Thus the Starks would be a royal house, and the Lannisters wouldn't have near the power they have now.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:55 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Without Vargo Hoat, how is Jamie's sword hand going to be hacked off? With all the changes coming this year, I'm wondering whether Vargo Hoat and his band will be included.
might not happen.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:58 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
not sure. But something big happens w/ his character in the 7th ep of this season. The actor said in it he has a scene that is his favorite of his career. Some have speculated that he loses his hand then, although that'd be seriously moving up/altering his storyline. They have yet to cast Vargo and crew, but I won't be surprised if they change all of that. I really hope that isn't the case, and he's referencing something else.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 5:11 pm to Books
judging by the name of that episode, and going chronologically, I will say that is the episode in which Catelyn releases him.
A man Without Honor (next one is called Prince of Winterfell), so I would assume, Cat frees him.
Though this has me wondering?
Maybe his cousin that escorts him?
Then it gets really good as Robb begins to make mistake after mistake until he loses his bannermen.
Also it looks like they are moving up the battle on the Blackwater and Arrya going to Braavos.
etaa, I guess the battle of the Crag will be glanced over too. Robb is deep into the Westerlands, gets injured and meets a nurse named Jenye Poole. Whose own mother will help plan the Red Wedding.
This defeat causes Twinn to march his forces to Kings Landing to re-group for Stannis, but had the battle lasted a little longer, Stannis would have taken Kings Landing.
A man Without Honor (next one is called Prince of Winterfell), so I would assume, Cat frees him.
Though this has me wondering?
Maybe his cousin that escorts him?
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Jaime Lannister meets a relative; Theon Greyjoy hunts; Daenerys receives an invitation.
Then it gets really good as Robb begins to make mistake after mistake until he loses his bannermen.
Also it looks like they are moving up the battle on the Blackwater and Arrya going to Braavos.
etaa, I guess the battle of the Crag will be glanced over too. Robb is deep into the Westerlands, gets injured and meets a nurse named Jenye Poole. Whose own mother will help plan the Red Wedding.
This defeat causes Twinn to march his forces to Kings Landing to re-group for Stannis, but had the battle lasted a little longer, Stannis would have taken Kings Landing.
This post was edited on 5/2/12 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 5/2/12 at 5:30 pm to Napoleon
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This defeat causes Twinn to march his forces to Kings Landing to re-group for Stannis, but had the battle lasted a little longer, Stannis would have taken Kings Landing.
Would he have?
His ships were lost. I think the best he could hope for is to lay Kings Landing to seige. Which would still give tywin time enough to sally and break it.
Am I missing something?
Posted on 5/2/12 at 5:39 pm to Napoleon
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Arrya going to Braavos.
not till the end of Storm.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 5:58 pm to CottonWasKing
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Would he have?
from the wiki
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. Stannis' army was on the verge of defeating the garrison of King's Landing, but was taken by surprise and all but annihilated by the joint forces of Tywin Lannister and the Tyrells.
Plus even though many ships are lost, they still had troops on the ground. It was Tywinn's host that put the nail in the coffin.
This was the one time I wanted Tyrion to fail.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 5:58 pm to CE Tiger
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not till the end of Storm.
The end of the last episode is called Vahlar Morgilus, that is why I was speculating.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 6:06 pm to Napoleon
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. Stannis' army was on the verge of defeating the garrison of King's Landing, but was taken by surprise and all but annihilated by the joint forces of Tywin Lannister and the Tyrells.
Maybe so but the Red Keep is still a formidable castle and when hope was lost they would've retreated inside the castle and Stannis would've either been forced to lay seige or storm the castle. Storming the castle would've been a suicidal folly and laying seige would've given Tywin and Highgarden ample time to rally troops and give aid. And even if they couldn't Black Water Bay was still held by the crown and the red keep could still get ample resources delivered through sea.
Now that isn't to say that Stannis wouldn't have been able to muster more troops and eventually take King's Landing I just don't think it would've been as easy as most think.
Tywin and Highgarden would've still entered the fight eventually.
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