Is Alex McLeish the worst manager in EPL history?

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but I also submit for evidence the fact that when he managed Rangers they finished 3rd in the Scottish Premier League

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Most glaring piece of evidence.

funny how clubs hire retread managers and expect different results...

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As good as the 1st half was today, the team looked completely clueless in the 2nd half, even with the Warnock goal. This team hasn't put a full 90 minute performance together all season.

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Yep. Same old story. We'll play ok at times in one half and create chances that we can not put away. The other team inevitably changes things and we become completely over run and give up goals that are generally down to bad defending.

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To make things worse, Randy Lerner and that douche Faulkner have been nowhere for months it seems. Just lurking in the shadows watching the muppet sink the ship rather than admit they made a mistake and sack him.

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Well Randy has always been invisible. But I think they are very happy to let McLeish soak up the pressure for now. Personally, I think had Petrov not been diagnosed with cancer the pressure would have been much greater by now but the crowd really turned on McLeish and the team for the first time today since the sad news about Stan.

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There has also been no communication about what the aims of the club are. Whether he owes the fans such communciation, that is debatable. However, he set a precedent when he came in waving scarves, splashing cash and speaking of the '5 year plan' to get Villa back among Europe's elite; it was a statement of intent. Now that the plan didn't work, nothing.

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I completely agree he has built up a lot of goodwill since the takeover and has nearly undone all of it in the space of less than 2 years. I think they looked at it and decided it would be more advantageous to just ride out a few down years while re-structuring the wage scale rather than upset fans with PR concerning cost cutting. Of course they wouldn't have anticipated the shite storm that would follow two horrible managerial appointments that have seen us fall back to where we were pre-Lerner.
Also, Randy has gone through a messy divorce over the last few years in addition to Bank of America being hit hard by the global financial crisis. We haven't really invested in players other than replacements since we signed Downing what 3 years ago now?

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In fact, the last thing I remember hearing from the board was last summer after McLeish was hired when General Krulak spouted off about Europe still being the goal.

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That and Falkner came out sometime around mid-season and said that Europe was still the goal and was still realistic. Since we haven't won a home game since Novemeber I can't remember any PR coming from the club at all really regarding our goals and future. I guess we signed Holman the Aussie from AZ on a Bosman but thats it.

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All of it makes me think there is some legitimacy to the rumors about the club being sold.

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That would be incredible but I'll be skeptical about this until more legitimate rumors surface. It seems to be mostly speculation in hope rather than any serious interest

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McLeish is pretty bad, but Terry Connor and I each have the same number of points in our managing careers.

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Technically isn't terry Connor just caretaker? Maybe I should revise the original question to include: with atleast 2 full seasons managing in the epl

Yeah, he is. I just wanted to make that joke.

Lawrie Sanchez was pretty shocking as a manager.

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because he came from Birmingham City

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I immediately thought of this...the Villains could possibly go down by the hands of the former manager of their bitter rival...while Birmingham could be promoted!! How pissed will Villa fans be then?

@martinlaurence7: Only Wolves, Doncaster, Rochdale, Hereford and Macclesfield have a lower league win ratio in England than Aston Villa this season

@martinlaurence7: Aston Villa's pass accuracy against Bolton last night was 56%. That isn't even professional football standard. Absolutely embarrassing

@martinlaurence7: Only Stoke have had a worse pass accuracy, completing 55% of their attempts on the opening day of the season vs Chelsea - @Zonal_Marking

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I remember thinking our central midfielders weren't very good and then thinking that was a little unfair as they didn't actually touch the ball, they just watched it go over their heads.

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Steven Davis and Alexei Smertin if I remember correctly? Davis is horrible and Smertin was way past it. His insistence on playing Bouazza on the left was troubling as well. What ever happened to Volzy btw?