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re: Interesting question from Rabalais: After 2006 Final Four, what happened?
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:14 pm to TemplarTheSaint
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:14 pm to TemplarTheSaint
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That's where you are wrong. It was a symptom of the success being about him rather than the accomishments of the team and players. The rules of society did not apply to him - he was bigger. It was where the evidence he was losing the "team" became apparent.
That team going to the Final 4 actually only masked the problems for a year.
You're a moron. By the way why exactly did the team wait a year to react negatively to him getting a new wife?
This post was edited on 4/12/12 at 9:16 pm
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Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:27 pm to TigerRagAndrew
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3) Failed to convince Magnum Rolle that he in fact wasn't Kevin Durant
I actually had class and was friends with Rolle back then. The dude thought he easily was a starter/best player on the team. The last thing he told me was "See ya in the NBA" before he transferred out.
Yeah....
This post was edited on 4/12/12 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:08 pm to Cajun Revolution
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"See ya in the NBA" before he transferred out.
Yeah....
He played fairly significant minutes for the Hawks last season including playoffs. At least I remember watching him...
This post was edited on 4/12/12 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:21 pm to The Cable Guy
He signed with the Hawks but he never actually played.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:27 pm to TigerRagAndrew
Yeah. Brady really missed out on his opportunity to cement himself as coach the year following the Final Four run.
If he could have signed DJ Augustin, and anyone else worth one damn that signing class, we could have easily contended for another Final Four.
One would believe that would have elevated the status of our basketball program. Instead, we missed out on the postseason all together.
He just didn't capitalize on the one opportunity he had to put LSU basketball on the map in an emphatic way. Add to that, after we went to the final four, he landed Anthony Randolph, and one and done recruit, and Marcus Thornton, a JUCO with two years of eligibility.
Hell, this is his commitment list from 2006, the year we went to the Final Four:
WTF?
In the following class, he landed Marcus Thornton and Anthony Randolph, but alas, Thornton only had 2 years of eligibility and Randolph was one and done.
After both of those players left, we were left with Tasmin for one year, Garrett Green, Alex Farrer, Bo Spencer, Storm Warren, Delwan Graham, and Dennis Harris.
That's not a competitive Sun Belt team, and I'm not remotely kidding.
All of this is why I never understood why everyone was so harsh on TJ. He literally had to build the program from scratch outside of the one year he had Garrett Temple, Marcus Thornton, and Tasmin Mitchell.
Added to that, Louisiana basketball recruiting had a large gap from Greg Monroe to Ricardo Gathers. Matt Derenbecker was the best recruit during TJ's tenure from Louisiana. Ricardo Gathers and Malik Morgan were the best players in the state for a three year stretch without question.
He's gone, and I certainly believe he made a mistake not going the JUCO route early in his tenure to fill in the enormous gap Brady recruiting created, but if you really kept everything in perspective, I believe next year would have told the story on the Trent Johnson tenure.
If he had landed Hammink, Coleman, and Morgan, along with some JUCO scrub to spell O'Bryant, we could have had a really solid team. We certainly should have expected to be an NCAA tournament team.
Oh well. Hopefully we upgrade with this hire, but all things considered, TJ left this program in pretty good shape relative to the shape of the program he inherited. We actually have underclass talent and a base a coach can easily build on and win quickly.
That was not the case when TJ inherited the program. We had the base of a junior college team.
If he could have signed DJ Augustin, and anyone else worth one damn that signing class, we could have easily contended for another Final Four.
One would believe that would have elevated the status of our basketball program. Instead, we missed out on the postseason all together.
He just didn't capitalize on the one opportunity he had to put LSU basketball on the map in an emphatic way. Add to that, after we went to the final four, he landed Anthony Randolph, and one and done recruit, and Marcus Thornton, a JUCO with two years of eligibility.
Hell, this is his commitment list from 2006, the year we went to the Final Four:
WTF?
In the following class, he landed Marcus Thornton and Anthony Randolph, but alas, Thornton only had 2 years of eligibility and Randolph was one and done.
After both of those players left, we were left with Tasmin for one year, Garrett Green, Alex Farrer, Bo Spencer, Storm Warren, Delwan Graham, and Dennis Harris.
That's not a competitive Sun Belt team, and I'm not remotely kidding.
All of this is why I never understood why everyone was so harsh on TJ. He literally had to build the program from scratch outside of the one year he had Garrett Temple, Marcus Thornton, and Tasmin Mitchell.
Added to that, Louisiana basketball recruiting had a large gap from Greg Monroe to Ricardo Gathers. Matt Derenbecker was the best recruit during TJ's tenure from Louisiana. Ricardo Gathers and Malik Morgan were the best players in the state for a three year stretch without question.
He's gone, and I certainly believe he made a mistake not going the JUCO route early in his tenure to fill in the enormous gap Brady recruiting created, but if you really kept everything in perspective, I believe next year would have told the story on the Trent Johnson tenure.
If he had landed Hammink, Coleman, and Morgan, along with some JUCO scrub to spell O'Bryant, we could have had a really solid team. We certainly should have expected to be an NCAA tournament team.
Oh well. Hopefully we upgrade with this hire, but all things considered, TJ left this program in pretty good shape relative to the shape of the program he inherited. We actually have underclass talent and a base a coach can easily build on and win quickly.
That was not the case when TJ inherited the program. We had the base of a junior college team.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:29 pm to TortiousTiger
Voogd is like the Demetrious Hookfin of basketball 
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:32 pm to tuptiger
Jesus you're still trying to prop up TJ? He left because he saw next year's team wasn't going to be good so you can stop defending him now.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:43 pm to saintsfan22
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Jesus you're still trying to prop up TJ? He left because he saw next year's team wasn't going to be good so you can stop defending him now.
Yeah. I'm glad you can see into the future. We've already discussed this ad infinitum. We both agree if TJ had made the NCAA tournament next year easily, we would want him back next year.
Neither you nor I can actually see into the future and know one way or another whether or not next year's team would have made the NCAA tournament. It's speculation.
I'm not attempting to "prop" up TJ. I admitted in my post that expectations should have been NCAA tournament or bust.
My entire post was driven to provide context to the TJ tenure, which is directly relevant to this thread's intent. Most of the people on this board had forgotten about the circumstances surrounding Brady's firing because they are myopic.
I never said we should give TJ a raise. I never said we should give TJ a long-term contract. My statement was simply that I'm not sure why he was perceived the way he was.
I think anyone would agree that the following roster is substantially better than what Brady left behind, assuming Johnson would have signed Hammink and Coleman, which seems like a safe assumption:
PG: Hickey (So.)
SG: Morgan (Fr.)
SG: Hammink (Fr.)
SF: Turner (Jr.)
C: O'Bryant (So.)
Bench: Stringer (Jr.), Coleman (Jr.), Isaac (So.), JUCO bigman (Jr.), Ludwig (Sr.)
TJ's lineup after Thornton, Temple, Johnson graduated:
PG: Spencer (Jr.)
SG: Farrer (Sr.)
SF: Mitchell (Sr.)
PF: Warren (So.)
C: Green (So.)
Bench: Dennis Harris, Delwan Graham
This post was edited on 4/12/12 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:50 pm to tuptiger
I'm never going to forget Bo Spencer attempting a half court, last-second three pointer against MSU in 2010.
With eight seconds left.
With eight seconds left.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:54 pm to Almazach
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I'm never going to forget Bo Spencer attempting a half court, last-second three pointer against MSU in 2010.
Bo Spencer makes Andre Stringer seem like John Stockton.
He might have the lowest basketball IQ in the history of the game.
This post was edited on 4/12/12 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:55 pm to tuptiger
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Neither you nor I can actually see into the future and know one way or another whether or not next year's team would have made the NCAA tournament. It's speculation.
Maybe LSU, Southern, UNO, and Tulane will all make it to the tourney as 1 seeds next year. I mean I can't see the future so there must be as good a chance of it happening as not.
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My entire post was driven to provide context to the TJ tenure, which is directly relevant to this thread's intent.
Actually only one post in this thread even mentioned Trent, it was all about Brady's failings yet you still decided to prop up Trent's tenure. Everyone pointed out Brady's missteps but you take that extra step to alleviate blame from Trent.
This post was edited on 4/13/12 at 12:02 am
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:57 pm to tuptiger
I lived above him in the on-campus apartments that year. It seemed like he was too busy partying to actually think about basketball.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:04 am to saintsfan22
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prop up
How did I "prop up" TJ's tenure? On the face, it was horrible. I've admitted that.
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Maybe LSU, Southern, UNO, and Tulane will all make it to the tourney as 1 seeds next year. I mean I can't see the future so there must be as good a chance of it happening as not.
Yeah, because a team that returns 4/5 starters, won 17 games, adds 3 recruits at positions of need, and gains one year of experience making the NCAA tournament is tantamount to teams being a one seed in the NCAA tournament who have, historically, never been a threat to finish in the top half of their shitty conferences.
You are officially retarded.
This post was edited on 4/13/12 at 12:05 am
Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:16 am to tuptiger
Anyone who thought we were going to make next year's tourney once Ham left is an idiot. It's hilarious that you keep justifying this belief by counting on us to sign "random juco scrub big man". Once you've started counting on the contributions of unknown, unnamed players you've crossed the line of rational thought.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:19 am to saintsfan22
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Anyone who thought we were going to make next year's tourney once Ham left is an idiot. It's hilarious that you keep justifying this belief by counting on us to sign "random juco scrub big man".
Sure. I'm sure we couldn't have signed the equivalent of Quinton Thornton. I'm not sure we would have even needed to. Plenty of college teams have had success with four guard lineups, but it's impossible that we would have made the tournament next year.
I mean goddamn. A six game improvement in the win column is impossible with what we had coming back.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:23 am to tuptiger
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A six game improvement in the win column is impossible with what we had coming back.
After losing the best player on the team you saw a 6 game improvement coming?
Considering how players developed under Trent yet another big leap of faith you're making.Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:31 am to TigerRagAndrew
Magnum Rolle obviously had an overinflated opinion of himself.
Forgot 8) Lost Greg Monroe to Georgetown.
Forgot 8) Lost Greg Monroe to Georgetown.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:33 am to tuptiger
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Yeah, because a team that returns 4/5 starters, won 17 games, adds 3 recruits at positions of need, and gains one year of experience making the NCAA tournament is tantamount to teams being a one seed in the NCAA tournament who have, historically, never been a threat to finish in the top half of their shitty conferences.
We have 1 recruit committed. Where are these other two?
Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:45 am to TigerRagAndrew
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We have 1 recruit committed. Where are these other two?
I'm assuming we would have signed Morgan, Shane Hammink, and Shavon Coleman with Trent as head coach. We may very well sign all three with a new coach as well.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:47 am to tuptiger
That is if they are willing to wait long enough for a hire to be made.
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