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How much better would a Swarovski Z3 4-12x50 be than my current...
Posted on 12/21/11 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 12/21/11 at 8:24 pm
Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x50?
I had a very nice buck come out this evening that I just couldn't get enough light in the scope. I was able to see him pretty well with my binoculars, Burris Signature Series 12x50, but I could not get him in my scope well enough to take an ethical shot. I also had my little cousin with me and he has a Zeiss Conquest on his gun and I wasn't able to make a shot with that either.
I thought there would be a difference in the Nikon and Zeiss, but I really couldn't tell a difference. So, I'm wondering how big of a difference there would be in a Nikon and Swarovski in low light.
I had a very nice buck come out this evening that I just couldn't get enough light in the scope. I was able to see him pretty well with my binoculars, Burris Signature Series 12x50, but I could not get him in my scope well enough to take an ethical shot. I also had my little cousin with me and he has a Zeiss Conquest on his gun and I wasn't able to make a shot with that either.
I thought there would be a difference in the Nikon and Zeiss, but I really couldn't tell a difference. So, I'm wondering how big of a difference there would be in a Nikon and Swarovski in low light.
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Posted on 12/21/11 at 8:37 pm to prostyleoffensetime
I can't help you 100%, only 95%. I just picked one of these bad boys up with the BRH reticle, not the BRX. The BRH is a bit thicker and better for hunting, IMO.
I previously had Nikon buckmasters in 3-9x50 on both of my rifles. Ran across a great deal on the swarovoski and got it.
It is heads and shoulders better than my Buckmasters and it's not even close. My father has a Leopuld 2-10x50 (I believe that's the magnification, I know that's the objective) and it is clearly better than his as well.
It would be a tough decision to buy one over the monarch at full price but they seem to go on sale a lot. If you can get one on sale jump on it.
I mounted mine of Friday, sighted in it Saturday and the ole lady got her first deer with it Sunday. After seeing the glass and clarity I would buy again.
I previously had Nikon buckmasters in 3-9x50 on both of my rifles. Ran across a great deal on the swarovoski and got it.
It is heads and shoulders better than my Buckmasters and it's not even close. My father has a Leopuld 2-10x50 (I believe that's the magnification, I know that's the objective) and it is clearly better than his as well.
It would be a tough decision to buy one over the monarch at full price but they seem to go on sale a lot. If you can get one on sale jump on it.
I mounted mine of Friday, sighted in it Saturday and the ole lady got her first deer with it Sunday. After seeing the glass and clarity I would buy again.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 8:39 pm to prostyleoffensetime
ive shot guns with all 3 in low light, not enought difference for me to justify buying. now as far as binaculars, i did see enough difference to spend heavy cash on swarovski. those things are incredible.
i have to say though that the biggest reason i purchased the swarovski binaculars is because we hunt on managed land and we try to make sure we stick to our standards of the size of bucks killed. we make damn sure we know what we are killing before we even put our guns up. so to us binaculars are just as important if not more important
i have to say though that the biggest reason i purchased the swarovski binaculars is because we hunt on managed land and we try to make sure we stick to our standards of the size of bucks killed. we make damn sure we know what we are killing before we even put our guns up. so to us binaculars are just as important if not more important
This post was edited on 12/21/11 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 12/21/11 at 8:39 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
That scope's got a 1" tube, right?
Posted on 12/21/11 at 8:54 pm to LSUkoozie
I bought my Burris binoculars a couple weeks ago, and I was very proud of them tonight. I know Burris is not thought of when you're thinking big name optics, but I was so impressed with them tonight. If I had a scope that was good as my binoculars, I would have killed the biggest deer of my life.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 9:12 pm to prostyleoffensetime
Swarovski will make those look like they're opaque.
Before you step that far up, check them vs a Leupold VX III 50mm. I can see with mine well past shooting hours. I'm going to use it in the dark for pigs after the season.
Before you step that far up, check them vs a Leupold VX III 50mm. I can see with mine well past shooting hours. I'm going to use it in the dark for pigs after the season.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 9:36 pm to faxis
Well if I'm going to make a step up, I'm going to make the big step. The deer I saw this afternoon is worth it to me. I sat in the stand until 6:10 watching him in my binoculars to make sure he left and I didn't spook him.
My uncle has the Swarovski Z3, my cousins have Zeiss Conquests, and his nephews on the other side of their family have Leupold VX III. He's spent more time with each of the scopes and he says Swarovski >>>>>>> Zeiss > Leupold... After tonight, trying to get the deer in both scopes, I would say the Zeiss Conquest is not that far ahead of the Monarch. Not much at all.
My uncle has the Swarovski Z3, my cousins have Zeiss Conquests, and his nephews on the other side of their family have Leupold VX III. He's spent more time with each of the scopes and he says Swarovski >>>>>>> Zeiss > Leupold... After tonight, trying to get the deer in both scopes, I would say the Zeiss Conquest is not that far ahead of the Monarch. Not much at all.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 9:38 pm to prostyleoffensetime
Swarovski is astonishingly good optics. If you can afford it, I doubt you'd ever regret it.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 9:40 pm to faxis
Its not even close. Go with the swarovski. I've dealt with them hands on for years. Nikon is good, but its no swarovski. When you compared the scopes where they in a store?
Posted on 12/21/11 at 9:46 pm to HebertFest08
Oh and just to throw it out there...... Schmidt & Bender is better than all of them.
S & B
Swarovski
Zeiss
Leupold
Nikon
Burris
Thats ranked with apples to apples.... 1" tubes and 30mm tubes. S &B doesnt have a 1" though i think. been a while since ive dealt with them.
S & B
Swarovski
Zeiss
Leupold
Nikon
Burris
Thats ranked with apples to apples.... 1" tubes and 30mm tubes. S &B doesnt have a 1" though i think. been a while since ive dealt with them.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 10:06 pm to HebertFest08
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When you compared the scopes where they in a store?
I compared the Zeiss and Nikon this afternoon in the field.
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Oh and just to throw it out there...... Schmidt & Bender is better than all of them.
A quick look on Optics Planet says not in my price range... I'm willing to spend the 1000-1100 that the Swarovski will cost, but the 3-12x50 S&B looks to be about 2500. Ha, maybe next time.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 10:15 pm to prostyleoffensetime
yeh, i wasn't suggest you buying the schmidt..... just was stating they were better than all of them. They never seem to get mentioned in these threads.
Get the Swarovski man.... the quality you get is superb. Plus, not sure if they still do it, but if you have a problem with one of their scopes and have to send it back they may send you one as a loner until yours is fixed. Oh and if you want the best binocs hands down on the planet take a look at their 10x40 ELs
Get the Swarovski man.... the quality you get is superb. Plus, not sure if they still do it, but if you have a problem with one of their scopes and have to send it back they may send you one as a loner until yours is fixed. Oh and if you want the best binocs hands down on the planet take a look at their 10x40 ELs
Posted on 12/21/11 at 10:20 pm to HebertFest08
Thanks, but I just bought some Burris binos and was dang proud of them this afternoon... I think my uncle has those Swarovskis and he sits on a stand past 6:00 regularly... Again, maybe next time. 
Posted on 12/21/11 at 10:28 pm to prostyleoffensetime
I have a Swaro 1" AV 4 x 12 x 50 with the TDS reticile and it is by far the best scope I have ever owned. I also own several Leuo VX111's, 2 Zeiss Conquest, 4 Burris and it is not even close on the clarity of the scope in the late evening or just after dark. They will make a difference to you. Much better than Nikon but the cost is about double what you pay for the others.
If you are willing to spend the money, you cannot go wrong with the Swaro.
Also, I agree that S&B makes one of, if not the top, scope. But they do not make any 1" American style scopes. All of them are the 30 mm variety. So if you want to compare apples with apples, you must compare a 30 mm S&B to a 30 mm Swaro. If you do, I doubt you will be able to tell much difference between them.
If you are willing to spend the money, you cannot go wrong with the Swaro.
Also, I agree that S&B makes one of, if not the top, scope. But they do not make any 1" American style scopes. All of them are the 30 mm variety. So if you want to compare apples with apples, you must compare a 30 mm S&B to a 30 mm Swaro. If you do, I doubt you will be able to tell much difference between them.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 10:32 pm to HebertFest08
Schmidt and bender is without peer. I have Ziess, Swarovski and S&B and the Schmidt's are in a class by themselves. Very, very expensive unfortunately. I would trade all the others for a S&B
Posted on 12/21/11 at 10:50 pm to jimbeaux82
Sounds great. Does anybody have any experience ordering from Optics Planet, or are there any suggestions on other places to order from?
Posted on 12/21/11 at 11:03 pm to prostyleoffensetime
WWW.SWFA.com and www.natchezss.com are also really good places to order from. Take a look here and compare the prices.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 11:12 pm to jimbeaux82
quote:5 cents cheaper
WWW.SWFA.com
Posted on 12/21/11 at 11:25 pm to prostyleoffensetime
Cabelas has it for 939 with free shipping and 15 % back in points with code 5x55b, expires tomorrow
Posted on 12/21/11 at 11:37 pm to Tigerpaw123
I'm going to get the BRX reticle so it's $60 more. I've found it to be anywhere from $998.95-$999.99. Actually, I've decided to go to some stores tomorrow and if I can find it for around $1000, I'll pay the sales tax to have it tomorrow and not have to worry about what could happen with shipping around the holidays.
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