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Watching CBS late night re-run of LSU/Houston BB and...
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:21 am
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:21 am
...anyone who thinks Trent is on the hot seat is stupid.
This team is extremely young and inexperienced, but their upside/potential is tremendous and they're in great physical shape for being so young. We also have more depth than I've seen in at least the last decade - he's rotating 10 and we're not losing size in the post.
Trent knows what he's doing, no question. This year's team may make a ton of mistakes but watch out. I think LSU has at least 1 Sweet 16 appearance in the next 3 years. I really like the change in the attitude that Johnson is implementing.
This team is extremely young and inexperienced, but their upside/potential is tremendous and they're in great physical shape for being so young. We also have more depth than I've seen in at least the last decade - he's rotating 10 and we're not losing size in the post.
Trent knows what he's doing, no question. This year's team may make a ton of mistakes but watch out. I think LSU has at least 1 Sweet 16 appearance in the next 3 years. I really like the change in the attitude that Johnson is implementing.
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Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:25 am to JTacoma03
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anyone who thinks Trent is on the hot seat is stupid
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This team is extremely young and inexperienced
I didn't realize this is his first year.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:31 am to JTacoma03
We have a lot of potential. We easily could be undefeated right now. Hickey is the best freshman point guard in my lifetime as an LSU basketball fan, and I really like Justin Hamilton.
We play best when we work the offense through Hamilton. He's the best post passer we've had since Bass, and he has a refined offensive game.
By SEC play, we'll give some teams hell. A realistic goal would be to finish ahead of Ole Miss, Auburn, Arkansas, UGA, USC, and Tennessee, which would put us 6th if I'm not mistaken.
We don't have a realistic shot of finishing ahead of Bama, UK, Vandy, Florida, or MSU. I think you're looking at somewhere around 5 top 10-15 teams once Vandy gets Ezeli back, so finishing only behind them might sneak us into the Dance because the conference RPI will be much improved.
We just don't need anymore South Alabama games, and wins at home over UVA and Marquette would be really nice.
We play best when we work the offense through Hamilton. He's the best post passer we've had since Bass, and he has a refined offensive game.
By SEC play, we'll give some teams hell. A realistic goal would be to finish ahead of Ole Miss, Auburn, Arkansas, UGA, USC, and Tennessee, which would put us 6th if I'm not mistaken.
We don't have a realistic shot of finishing ahead of Bama, UK, Vandy, Florida, or MSU. I think you're looking at somewhere around 5 top 10-15 teams once Vandy gets Ezeli back, so finishing only behind them might sneak us into the Dance because the conference RPI will be much improved.
We just don't need anymore South Alabama games, and wins at home over UVA and Marquette would be really nice.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:43 am to JTacoma03
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This team is extremely young and inexperienced, but their upside/potential is tremendous and they're in great physical shape for being so young.
Somehow this quote keeps coming back.
Eventually, you have to have an older team. You can't just win with the fired coach's players and not build a team of your own. This is the year he should be required to make progress IMO.
Miles won with Saban's players, and then he won with his own players.
Gotta sustain it.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:44 am to JTacoma03
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This team is extremely young and inexperienced
There's only 3 freshman. The fact that those freshman have to play so much speaks to Trent's crappy recruiting in previous classes.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:45 am to tuptiger
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so finishing only behind them might sneak us into the Dance because the conference RPI will be much improved.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:56 am to saintsfan22
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The fact that those freshman have to play so much speaks to Trent's crappy recruiting in previous classes
He sure hasn't been able to lock down LA
Posted on 11/30/11 at 5:26 am to JTacoma03
Go look at Grant's roster over at AL and see the future of that program compared to LSU.
Grant did it in less time than TJ.
The excuses are BS ........
Grant did it in less time than TJ.
The excuses are BS ........
Posted on 11/30/11 at 6:00 am to JTacoma03
yeah we all know that Duke, UK, and UNC are all only good once in a while, when they aren't so young
Posted on 11/30/11 at 6:09 am to JTacoma03
I need to go try out for the LSU basketball team, because they've been young for five years in a row now. That ain't a bad deal, never age.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 11:46 am to tiger1014
We aren't that young. Hamilton played two full years of big time basketball at Iowa State and had the benefit of sitting out and learning for a year. Storm Warren is a senior and has been a starter for three years. White and Bass off the bench are seniors.
Stringer and Turner are second year starters. They both were highly rated high school players who should be beyond young at this point.
The only freshmen getting playing time are Hickey and O'Bryant. Hickey doesn't play like a freshmen and shouldn't be classified as a young player. So that leaves only O'Bryant who has made a lot of rookie mistakes and can be expected to improve a lot.
Trent continues to make coaching mistakes in my opinion. He sticks almost solely with man to man even though this team is not tall enough at the guard positions are quick enough overall.
He lets his players free lance too much on offense and doesn't pound it in to Hamilton, Storm and O'Bryant enough. Somehow we get out rebounded too many times even though we often are taller and Hickey is a great rebounder for his size from the guard position.
So this team may still surprise and do well the rest of the year. They do have potential but it seems they don't come close to reaching it. I think I proved it isn't because they are young so that only leaves one inescapable conclusion.
Stringer and Turner are second year starters. They both were highly rated high school players who should be beyond young at this point.
The only freshmen getting playing time are Hickey and O'Bryant. Hickey doesn't play like a freshmen and shouldn't be classified as a young player. So that leaves only O'Bryant who has made a lot of rookie mistakes and can be expected to improve a lot.
Trent continues to make coaching mistakes in my opinion. He sticks almost solely with man to man even though this team is not tall enough at the guard positions are quick enough overall.
He lets his players free lance too much on offense and doesn't pound it in to Hamilton, Storm and O'Bryant enough. Somehow we get out rebounded too many times even though we often are taller and Hickey is a great rebounder for his size from the guard position.
So this team may still surprise and do well the rest of the year. They do have potential but it seems they don't come close to reaching it. I think I proved it isn't because they are young so that only leaves one inescapable conclusion.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 11:51 am to JTacoma03
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...anyone who thinks Trent is on the hot seat is stupid.
Anyone who thinks the following is acceptable at LSU is "stupid" as you say. The way we're moving..We're looking like a 4-12 conference team.
Overall(conference)
11-20(2-14)
11-20(3-13)
Posted on 11/30/11 at 11:56 am to JTacoma03
Basketball is a sport, unlike football, where you can turn a program completely around with one good recruiting class. The youth argument doesn't hold water. If he's not on the hot seat I hope its at least toasty warm.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 12:56 pm to Holden Caulfield
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where you can turn a program completely around with one good recruiting class
This is patently untrue and shows you have no coaching experience with basketball.
Can you improve your record from the previous year with one developed player? Yes.
Can you change the entire culture of a team that hasn't been great since Shaq was here? No. Not in one year.
- oh and please don't bring in the "big baby final four blah blah". That was one fluke year for brady and the program put together by Collis Temple III so let's just nix that entire thread-derailing topic in the bud.
I think what most of you fail to understand is that the basketball culture at LSU really makes it tough to recruit, and I'll just point out two examples.
A. It is difficult to create and sustain a program where the other money sport (football) is so dominant. When basketball is a far second on the priority list in all facets you have one less thing to offer recruits. I'm not saying it can't be done, don't misread me, I'm just saying that it takes time.
B. LSU basketball fans (probably the people I'm talking to here) are horrible. You frickers start walking out with a minute left in the game like you're scared of traffic on nicholson or something. It's utterly embarassing to be at a game and see a mass exodus at two minutes unless the game is tied. So we bring recruits in and they see that the fans either dont' care or (more likely) don't understand what they're watching. There is no major university basketball program that has fans like this.
Trent Johnson is not the problem, the man is a great basketball coach who is finally setting a system in place. For reference, see Coach K's first 5 seasons at Duke - he took time to implement a system which was about the long term, not the short term, now he's the winningest coach in CBB
Posted on 11/30/11 at 1:51 pm to JTacoma03
You were not even born to see LSU basketball back in the mid-1980's.
And do not even attempt to compare TJ to Coach K.
LSU has some great basketball heritage going back way before Shaq ....
And do not even attempt to compare TJ to Coach K.
LSU has some great basketball heritage going back way before Shaq ....
Posted on 11/30/11 at 1:56 pm to tuptiger
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Hickey is the best freshman point guard in my lifetime as an LSU basketball fan, and I really like Justin Hamilton.
Were you not around for Torris Bright?
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:00 pm to tuptiger
Trent will probably do enough to warrant another year but are you satisfied with the product on the floor in year 4? I know he was hamstrung so to speak with the APR deal and the fact brady ran off so many players and he was dealing with a sr laden team as well.
I wish Trent success and I hope he makes it but he needs to have a staff in place to better recruit this part of the country in my opinion
I wish Trent success and I hope he makes it but he needs to have a staff in place to better recruit this part of the country in my opinion
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:01 pm to Tiger n Austin
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Were you not around for Torris Bright?
I was, and while he was really good, he was more of a natural shooting guard.
Hickey is a better true point guard.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:02 pm to JTacoma03
You make me laugh. I enjoyed that.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:03 pm to Paulu
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You were not even born to see LSU basketball back in the mid-1980's.
And do not even attempt to compare TJ to Coach K.
LSU has some great basketball heritage going back way before Shaq ....
This is an ignorant post. Let's break it down.
1) When I was born is irrelevant. I've played more basketball and coached more basketball than most people twice my age. Plus, something called TV existed so the good news is I've seen a bunch of things that were aired before I was born. Try checking it out sometime.
2) I knew somebody was going to take that out of context - I'm making an analogy and commenting on the instant gratification style of coaching vs. building a lasting system ala Coach K. Please stop the knee-jerk reactions.
3) I said "since" Shaq, which means between then and now, again please stop the knee-jerk responses based on seeing somebody's name.
Overall, your post makes little sense and doesn't comment on anything relevent.
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