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LSU's Talent Advantage Evaporates Beginning This Saturday
Posted on 10/3/11 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 10/3/11 at 1:58 pm
The next four games will be determined by coaching and execution. We won't be able to simply rely upon some overwhelming talent advantage, expecially along the lines.
While I recognize that we have already played three ranked opponents to date, we have enjoyed a significant talent advantage over each. This is confirmed by analysis of the Rivals recruiting rankings, which are a meaningful proxy for a team's overall depth, strength, and speed. (As I have noted several times before, the Rivals rankings have been statistically validated in numerous long-term studies. There is a statistically significant and incontrovertible correlation between recruiting rankings and on-field performance.)
LSU has recruited effectively over the last five years. Its average five year class ranking, rounded to the nearest integer, is six (6). In comparison, the average five year class rankings of our first three ranked opponents have been pedestrian:
Oregon: 17
MSU: 38
WVU: 33
The delta between our average class rating and that of our adversaries represents a significant on-field disparity in size, athleticism, and depth. Only Oregon approached our echelon of talent, and most of their higher class rankings were attributable to coveted skill position players, rather than linemen.
By contrast, here are the five year average class rankings for our upcoming four opponents:
Florida: 6
Tennessee: 14 (even with one extreme outlier year where their class was ranked 35 - the remainder of their classes were Top 15 or Top 10)
Auburn: 11
Alabama: 3 (and over the last four years, an astounding 1.4 average classs ranking)
Using Rivals as our guide, all four of our next opponents will be more talented than any foe we have encountered thus far. This is no revelation. Rather, it is merely empirical evidence which supports the widely-held belief that the SEC is ascendent. More importantly, this evidence offers insight into WHY the SEC dominates the college football landscape. As the SEC faithful preach on a daily basis, the conference simply has bigger, better, faster players, especially in the trenches.
Applied to LSU, the average recruiting rankings help to explain why we have eviscerated out of conference challengers, but we haven't appeared in the SEC championship game since 2007. Against intersectional competition, we can deploy our talent advantage to great effect in a fairly straightforward manner. Namely, we can line up and dominate both sides of the line irrespective of scheme. The gross overall talent disparity also camoflouges lapses in discipline, lack of consistency, poor technique, ill-advised playcalls, strange Crowton-esque schemes, and deficiencies at positions like QB. On the other hand, to defeat marquee SEC nemeses, talent alone isn't sufficient. LSU must execute consistently, apply proper technique, craft creative gameplans, avoid inattentiveness, limit penalties, and play error free football. We've obviously shown the capacity to do just that, but not over the course of an entire SEC season. In each of our most recent years, we have suffered breakdowns in playcalling or player execution or game management in at least one SEC contest. The challenge for this incredibly gifted set of Tigers and their coaches is to establish consistent excellence over the next four games. If we don't, we'll once more finish as a glamorous runner-up in the SEC West. However, if we do, we have an opportunity to accomplish something not witnessed in Baton Rouge for almost half a century: the elusive undefeated season.
While I recognize that we have already played three ranked opponents to date, we have enjoyed a significant talent advantage over each. This is confirmed by analysis of the Rivals recruiting rankings, which are a meaningful proxy for a team's overall depth, strength, and speed. (As I have noted several times before, the Rivals rankings have been statistically validated in numerous long-term studies. There is a statistically significant and incontrovertible correlation between recruiting rankings and on-field performance.)
LSU has recruited effectively over the last five years. Its average five year class ranking, rounded to the nearest integer, is six (6). In comparison, the average five year class rankings of our first three ranked opponents have been pedestrian:
Oregon: 17
MSU: 38
WVU: 33
The delta between our average class rating and that of our adversaries represents a significant on-field disparity in size, athleticism, and depth. Only Oregon approached our echelon of talent, and most of their higher class rankings were attributable to coveted skill position players, rather than linemen.
By contrast, here are the five year average class rankings for our upcoming four opponents:
Florida: 6
Tennessee: 14 (even with one extreme outlier year where their class was ranked 35 - the remainder of their classes were Top 15 or Top 10)
Auburn: 11
Alabama: 3 (and over the last four years, an astounding 1.4 average classs ranking)
Using Rivals as our guide, all four of our next opponents will be more talented than any foe we have encountered thus far. This is no revelation. Rather, it is merely empirical evidence which supports the widely-held belief that the SEC is ascendent. More importantly, this evidence offers insight into WHY the SEC dominates the college football landscape. As the SEC faithful preach on a daily basis, the conference simply has bigger, better, faster players, especially in the trenches.
Applied to LSU, the average recruiting rankings help to explain why we have eviscerated out of conference challengers, but we haven't appeared in the SEC championship game since 2007. Against intersectional competition, we can deploy our talent advantage to great effect in a fairly straightforward manner. Namely, we can line up and dominate both sides of the line irrespective of scheme. The gross overall talent disparity also camoflouges lapses in discipline, lack of consistency, poor technique, ill-advised playcalls, strange Crowton-esque schemes, and deficiencies at positions like QB. On the other hand, to defeat marquee SEC nemeses, talent alone isn't sufficient. LSU must execute consistently, apply proper technique, craft creative gameplans, avoid inattentiveness, limit penalties, and play error free football. We've obviously shown the capacity to do just that, but not over the course of an entire SEC season. In each of our most recent years, we have suffered breakdowns in playcalling or player execution or game management in at least one SEC contest. The challenge for this incredibly gifted set of Tigers and their coaches is to establish consistent excellence over the next four games. If we don't, we'll once more finish as a glamorous runner-up in the SEC West. However, if we do, we have an opportunity to accomplish something not witnessed in Baton Rouge for almost half a century: the elusive undefeated season.
This post was edited on 10/3/11 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:04 pm to The312
quote:
LSU's Talent Advantage Evaporates Beginning This Saturday
But the coaching advantage never will.
This post was edited on 10/3/11 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:16 pm to graychef
Maybe not but there is a big advantage in experience. I bet Charlie Weis would love to have one of these 3 right now.
Jarrett Lee - 5 yr Senior w/ multiple starts
Jordan Jefferson - Senior w/ multiple starts
Zach Mettenberger - (RS)Soph Most talented passer in SEC?
Jarrett Lee - 5 yr Senior w/ multiple starts
Jordan Jefferson - Senior w/ multiple starts
Zach Mettenberger - (RS)Soph Most talented passer in SEC?
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:21 pm to The312
...I disagree.
LSU has played 3 top 25 opponents on the road and two of those were in hostile environments.
Two of those opponents will probably be playing in BCS bowls (WVU and Oregon).
That's not to take away from the next 3 games. I expect them to be competitive. I also expect LSU to win as does Vegas.
LSU has played 3 top 25 opponents on the road and two of those were in hostile environments.
Two of those opponents will probably be playing in BCS bowls (WVU and Oregon).
That's not to take away from the next 3 games. I expect them to be competitive. I also expect LSU to win as does Vegas.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:21 pm to smash williams
If Oregon played. Florida, Tennessee and Auburn, I think the. Ducks would go 3-0. So, not sure I agree. W/ the primary point of this thread.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:22 pm to smash williams
quote:
Maybe not but there is a big advantage in experience. I bet Charlie Weis would love to have one of these 3 right now.
Jarrett Lee - 5 yr Senior w/ multiple starts
Jordan Jefferson - Senior w/ multiple starts
Zach Mettenberger - (RS)Soph Most talented passer in SEC?
Irrelevant because he won't see the field.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:32 pm to The312
There is obvously good information here and I definately know the next 4 games for LSU are huge, but I'm thinking the talent level at LSU is commensurate with all those teams you speak of.
As in any game, it all comes down to execution and not making mistakes or giving up the football.
Your points are well made and taken.
Thanks
As in any game, it all comes down to execution and not making mistakes or giving up the football.
Your points are well made and taken.
Thanks
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:36 pm to The312
quote:
The delta between our average class rating and that of our adversaries represents a significant on-field disparity in size, athleticism, and depth. Only Oregon approached our echelon of talent, and most of their higher class rankings were attributable to coveted skill position players, rather than linemen.
I Kige this.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:42 pm to The312
quote:
Applied to LSU, the average recruiting rankings help to explain why we have eviscerated out of conference challengers
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:43 pm to dansr731
Damn the rantards really do not see the OPs original point.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:52 pm to irish thug 527
Chris davenport is a great arguement against the rivals arguement. I doubt Muschamp outcoaches miles
Posted on 10/3/11 at 2:56 pm to The312
quote:
The next four games will be determined by coaching and execution.
quote:
We won't be able to simply rely upon some overwhelming talent advantage, expecially along the lines.
quote:
LSU has recruited effectively over the last five years. Its average five year class ranking, rounded to the nearest integer, is six (6).
quote::dude:
As the SEC faithful preach on a daily basis, the conference simply has bigger, better, faster players, especially in the trenches.
quote:
Applied to LSU, the average recruiting rankings help to explain why we have eviscerated out of conference challengers, but we haven't appeared in the SEC championship game since 2007.
quote:
The gross overall talent disparity also camoflouges lapses in discipline, lack of consistency, poor technique, ill-advised playcalls, strange Crowton-esque schemes, and deficiencies at positions like QB.
quote:... free your mind son, and your arse will follow
On the other hand, to defeat marquee SEC nemeses, talent alone isn't sufficient. LSU must execute consistently, apply proper technique, craft creative gameplans, avoid inattentiveness, limit penalties, and play error free football. We've obviously shown the capacity to do just that, but not over the course of an entire SEC season.
quote:Lather, rinse, and repeat
In each of our most recent years, we have suffered breakdowns in playcalling or player execution or game management in at least one SEC contest.
quote:You're needed for the Les Miles show!
The challenge for this incredibly gifted set of Tigers and their coaches is to establish consistent excellence over the next four games.
quote:
If we don't, we'll once more finish as a glamorous runner-up in the SEC West. However, if we do, we have an opportunity to accomplish something not witnessed in Baton Rouge for almost half a century: the elusive undefeated season.
I read it all!
Posted on 10/3/11 at 4:02 pm to smash williams
I like Mett but to say he is most talented qb in the SEC is a little bold isn't it?
Didn't he get beat out by Murray before he got kicked off the team anyway?
A ton of talented/highly ranked qb's in this league coming out of HS. Lee & JJ being two of them.
Someone remember to bump this thread the first off day Mett has next year as the starter
Didn't he get beat out by Murray before he got kicked off the team anyway?
A ton of talented/highly ranked qb's in this league coming out of HS. Lee & JJ being two of them.
Someone remember to bump this thread the first off day Mett has next year as the starter
Posted on 10/3/11 at 4:15 pm to The312
quote:LSU has had few lapses this year:
The gross overall talent disparity also camoflouges lapses in discipline, lack of consistency, poor technique, ill-advised playcalls, strange Crowton-esque schemes, and deficiencies at positions like QB
-Dropped passes in the Oregon/Kentucky games.
-String of consecutive penalites in the 3rd quarter vs MSU
-No sacks vs WVU
Don't get it twisted. This is not the 2010 team. This a well-coached, disciplined & focused LSU team.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 4:21 pm to The312
The suggestion that LSU "simply relied" on overwhelming talent advantage in any of its 5 wins to date (with the possible but unlikely exception of Northwestern Cupcake U)is beyond absurd. It wasn't necessary to install and coach specific scheme to deal with Oregon's offense? Or WVU's? Or even Moo U, where their defense was fairly stout?
Nuts.
Nuts.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 4:23 pm to The312
I hear you and certainly an argument that you make but I have a hard time believing that West Virginia and/or Oregon are a lot less talented than we are, Im just not buying it. Certainly talented teams ahead but I would put West Virginia and Oregon in there too.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 4:26 pm to Hiyoka
He was not beat out by Murray! They were competing and most people expected Mett to win the starting job.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 4:26 pm to graychef
Just so you know, Arkansas recruiting hovers around 30 as well, right with WVU and Georgia has as much talent as us.
In short, recruiting rankings don't mean shite.
In short, recruiting rankings don't mean shite.
Posted on 10/3/11 at 4:41 pm to LSUFreek
Awesome post 312. I agree with most of it. I'm not sure that you can say that we are not very disciplined though. I have been very happy with the way this team has played in hostile territory which will obviously do us well at Bama. The only things that I can complain about are
1. Dropped passes (I hope this does not come back to bite us in the arse in a close game)
2. The secondary giving up all of those passing yards to WVU. This one still is a mystery to me.
3. Special Teams.... Although this seams to have gotten better.
Now, I had to really reach for three things to complain about. As a whole I am very excited about the rest of the year.
1. Dropped passes (I hope this does not come back to bite us in the arse in a close game)
2. The secondary giving up all of those passing yards to WVU. This one still is a mystery to me.
3. Special Teams.... Although this seams to have gotten better.
Now, I had to really reach for three things to complain about. As a whole I am very excited about the rest of the year.
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