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the size differential in the trenches.

Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:45 am
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:45 am
I am starting to see more posts regurgitating the same ole meme about SEC size, especially in the trenches. I am going to compare players in the two deep on each team. I will take the weight from both team's AD site. Let's look at actual facts.

Oline from left to right (oregon player, lsu, player):

Tackle: Weem (302), Faulk (325)
Guard: Clanton (300), Dworaczyk (301)
Center: Grasu (293*), Lonergan (305)
Guard: York (292), Blackwell (290)
Tackle: Asper (325), Hurst (340)

Key backups: Golpashin (275)/Cody (301)/Benyard (325), Williford (327)/Herbert (304)/Collins (320).

*Grasu's weight was updatd by Adam Jude in yesterday's interview (goducks showing 291)

Analysis Oregon's top 8 goes an average of 301.625 while LSU's goes an average of 314. There is definitely a size advantage for LSU when comparing the two units. However, it's by 12.375 pounds per man, not by 30 pounds as reported on this site. Remember, Oregon utilizes a zone blocking scheme that favors lateral movement. Our interior against Auburn was having problems staying above 285 (all three of them). Our interior this year is bigger and that should help.

Dline

WDE: Jordan (240)/Hanna (240), Montomery (245)/ Mingo (240)
NT: Heimuli (321)/Remington (286), Brockers (310)/Logan (287)
DT: Keliikipi (300)/Ebert (285), Johnson (306)/Downs (287)
SDE: Turner (265)/Hart (283), Adams (255)/Edwards (265)

Analysis Oregon's two deep averages 277.5 pounds and LSU's 274.375. So, when comparing the counterpart oline the difference between what our dline face and your dline faces is 10.25 pounds (this was derived from taking the size differential of 12.375 of the olines and the differential of the dlines -2.125 = 10.25). What does this mean? Both dlines will be smaller than the opposing oline (which is the nature of the beast) but Oregon's by 10.25 pounds per man.

Part of the difference here is due to scheme. Oregon uses a spread offense and 3-4 base defense. The 240 pound WDE are going to be standing up 75% of the time as an OLB. Likewise, you will probably never see Oregon's oline average 314 pounds.

As far as the SEC meme goes, we face plenty of offensive lines that average 314. This is nothing unusual for Oregon. We are typically "undersized" due to scheme. This is much like Florida has been in recent years.











Posted by sertorius
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:47 am to
Greetings from Asheville, NC - Beer City, USA.

Geaux Tigers.

Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:47 am to
ok.
Posted by MoreOrLes
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:48 am to
yeah its the scheme
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:49 am to
305 average across the Oregon OL.
316 average across the LSU OL. (Dwor out, La'el in)

Who cares about DL? Ours is wayyyy better than yours. If you guys run a 3-4 base and it's close in size to ours.. ouch
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 11:50 am
Posted by NicoBlues
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:50 am to
Bison, we all know the heights/weights put up on the football program sites are inflated. I.can guarantee when our players are up against yours on the field, you will be able to see the size difference.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:51 am to
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Bison, we all know the heights/weights put up on the football program sites are inflated. I.can guarantee when our players are up against yours on the field, you will be able to see the size difference.


Our sizes listed have never been inflated. In fact, they have been under reported.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Who cares about DL? Ours is wayyyy better than yours. If you guys run a 3-4 base and it's close in size to ours.. ouch


No. Our hybrid olbs are the same size as your WDEs.
Posted by PurpleGoldTiger
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:52 am to
Posted by Springlake Tiger
Uptown
Member since Aug 2006
15531 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:53 am to
it isn't just the size, it is the speed that goes with the size. barring a bunch of turnovers by LSU, it will be the trenches that wins the game for LSU.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62444 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:54 am to
Dworaczyk won't play(might be Collins,there), and Mingo is a SDE...he's just 240 but watch for him.
Posted by tiigerr1
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:54 am to
Can we say "Moffitt"? We win.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:55 am to
it's going to be like watching hawaii versus georgia again

Posted by NorfolkVATiger
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:55 am to
Freshman center taking his first ever snaps in college against LSU.

That might be interesting.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:56 am to



79, 60 and 71 are Asper, Clanton and Benyard. You think their weights look overinflated Nico?
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 11:57 am
Posted by NorfolkVATiger
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:57 am to
Are your DTs health? Moseley had both of your starting DTs as injured - I think at least one of them was in a boot a week or two ago.

If they don't play, that drops the size of your DTs by probably 20 pounds or more in the 2-deep.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:58 am to
quote:

it's going to be like watching hawaii versus georgia again


I thought about that game too... man that was sad, but in a funny way.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:58 am to
quote:


Are your DTs health? Moseley had both of your starting DTs as injured - I think at least one of them was in a boot a week or two ago.

If they don't play, that drops the size of your DTs by probably 20 pounds or more in the 2-deep.


Both of them were in pads in 11 on 11 for two practices before practices went closed.
Posted by DownSouthTiger
downsouth
Member since Jan 2005
2550 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

Oline from left to right (oregon player, lsu, player):

Tackle: Weem (302), Faulk (325)
Guard: Clanton (300), Dworaczyk (301)
Center: Grasu (293*), Lonergan (305)
Guard: York (292), Blackwell (290)
Tackle: Asper (325), Hurst (340)

Key backups: Golpashin (275)/Cody (301)/Benyard (325), Williford (327)/Herbert (304)/Collins (320).

*Grasu's weight was updatd by Adam Jude in yesterday's interview (goducks showing 291)

:simmons2:
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 12:02 pm
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

it's going to be like watching hawaii versus georgia again


Because we have WAC talent? Hawaii gets beat up any time they play the Pac too.
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