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Rank the OC/Playcaller that LSU will face in 2011
Posted on 5/5/11 at 6:09 am
Posted on 5/5/11 at 6:09 am
Being a firm believer in "Offense puts butts in the seats, defense wins Championship" got me thinking about the playcalling talent we will be facing in 2011. Just wondering what other poster thought (I eliminated the cupcakes from the discussion). The following not ranked, but listed by Schedule:
Chip Kelley, Oregon
Dan Mullen, Miss. St.
Dana Holgorsen, WVU
Randy Sanders, Kentucky
Charlie Weis, Fla.
Jim Chaney, Tenn.
Gus Malzahn, Auburn
Jim McElwain, Bama
David Lee, Ole Miss
Bobby Petrino, Ar-Kansas
Chip Kelley, Oregon
Dan Mullen, Miss. St.
Dana Holgorsen, WVU
Randy Sanders, Kentucky
Charlie Weis, Fla.
Jim Chaney, Tenn.
Gus Malzahn, Auburn
Jim McElwain, Bama
David Lee, Ole Miss
Bobby Petrino, Ar-Kansas
Posted on 5/5/11 at 6:11 am to Boudreaux in SF
No love for bama I see
Posted on 5/5/11 at 6:16 am to fr33manator
What? Didn't rank them listed by how they appear on the Schedule.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 6:31 am to Boudreaux in SF
really good offenssive minds.
Best offense we'll see is Arkansas because Petrino has all the pieces he needs. after that it's probably Oregon because chip kelly likely has all his pieces in place too. Mullen, Weis, and malzhan are great but might not have all the players needed next year for their systems to be the most effective. If ranked in order puerely off who i'm scared to play this year its:
Arkansas
Oregon
Bama
Florida
Auburn
WV
MSU
Tenn
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Best offense we'll see is Arkansas because Petrino has all the pieces he needs. after that it's probably Oregon because chip kelly likely has all his pieces in place too. Mullen, Weis, and malzhan are great but might not have all the players needed next year for their systems to be the most effective. If ranked in order puerely off who i'm scared to play this year its:
Arkansas
Oregon
Bama
Florida
Auburn
WV
MSU
Tenn
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Posted on 5/5/11 at 7:26 am to Boudreaux in SF
Oh. My bad. I didn't even realize
Posted on 5/5/11 at 7:51 am to Boudreaux in SF
1. Malzahn
2. Petrino
3. Holgorsen
4. Kelly
2. Petrino
3. Holgorsen
4. Kelly
Posted on 5/5/11 at 8:58 am to The Egg
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1. Malzahn
2. Petrino
3. Holgorsen
4. Kelly
brutal. and charlie FUPA didn't even make the top 4.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 9:14 am to Boudreaux in SF
I'd venture to say no one will face better playcalling this year than LSU
Anyone not having Holgorsen in their top 4 is pretty ridiculous
Malzahn
Kelly
Holgorsen
Mullen
Petrino
Everyone else
Anyone not having Holgorsen in their top 4 is pretty ridiculous
Malzahn
Kelly
Holgorsen
Mullen
Petrino
Everyone else
Posted on 5/5/11 at 9:29 am to josh336
Here’s my list:
1. Dana Holgerson – I don’t even think it’s very close. He’s my number 1 OC in the nation
2. Gus Malzahn – I have a hard time choosing between he and Kelly right here. I think a lot of Kelly’s success is based off his extreme pace. If I had to go as a pure playcaller I’d give the edge to Malzahn mainly because of his emphasis on a power running game
3. Charlie Weis – People may think putting him over Petrino is a little high, but he’s proven on every level that he’s successful as a playcaller. We’re not talking as a head coach, we’re talking a playcaller. Hell I contemplated moving him above Kelly and Malzahn. This was a grandslam hire by Muschamp IMO.
4. Bobby Petrino – This guy will probably have the top offense of the top 4 (Kelly will probably be the top of all listed but he played in the Pac-10). That’s a credit to his schemes and playcalling, but it’s also a result of the ABSURD skill players he has. I never ever thought I’d see such talent at Arkansas
5. Chip Kelly – His system is as athlete and QB friendly as any in the nation. His offense is the definition of making you defend every inch of the field. He’ll attack you east-west and then north-south; so much fun to watch (when they’re not playing us of course)!
6. Dan Mullen – Very good coach who will have the ball rolling once he gets his kind of players to Mississippi State.
There’s a significant drop-off for the remaining coaches (and I’d put Kragthorpe somewhere near the top of this group)
There’s a significant drop-off for the remaining coaches (and I’d put Kragthorpe somewhere near the top of this group)
1. Dana Holgerson – I don’t even think it’s very close. He’s my number 1 OC in the nation
2. Gus Malzahn – I have a hard time choosing between he and Kelly right here. I think a lot of Kelly’s success is based off his extreme pace. If I had to go as a pure playcaller I’d give the edge to Malzahn mainly because of his emphasis on a power running game
3. Charlie Weis – People may think putting him over Petrino is a little high, but he’s proven on every level that he’s successful as a playcaller. We’re not talking as a head coach, we’re talking a playcaller. Hell I contemplated moving him above Kelly and Malzahn. This was a grandslam hire by Muschamp IMO.
4. Bobby Petrino – This guy will probably have the top offense of the top 4 (Kelly will probably be the top of all listed but he played in the Pac-10). That’s a credit to his schemes and playcalling, but it’s also a result of the ABSURD skill players he has. I never ever thought I’d see such talent at Arkansas
5. Chip Kelly – His system is as athlete and QB friendly as any in the nation. His offense is the definition of making you defend every inch of the field. He’ll attack you east-west and then north-south; so much fun to watch (when they’re not playing us of course)!
6. Dan Mullen – Very good coach who will have the ball rolling once he gets his kind of players to Mississippi State.
There’s a significant drop-off for the remaining coaches (and I’d put Kragthorpe somewhere near the top of this group)
There’s a significant drop-off for the remaining coaches (and I’d put Kragthorpe somewhere near the top of this group)
Posted on 5/5/11 at 11:21 am to josh336
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Anyone not having Holgorsen in their top 4 is pretty ridiculous
No doubt. I think lots of people will overlook him though because he's not as well-known YET as a Malzahn or Petrino type. Plus, he's coaching at WVU, people will automatically knock him for that due to the talent level, though the discussion is "playcallers"...not "offenses"
Posted on 5/5/11 at 11:31 am to Srbtiger06
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No doubt. I think lots of people will overlook him though because he's not as well-known YET as a Malzahn or Petrino type. Plus, he's coaching at WVU, people will automatically knock him for that due to the talent level, though the discussion is "playcallers"...not "offenses"
He should be pretty well-known to anyone who follows college football more than your average fan which is most people on this board. You mentioned Arkansas and Petrino, if you gave Holgerson Arkansas’ skill players he’d break every record book in the country.
Having said that, don’t sleep on WVU, they have some serious threats at WR. I think their young line might hold them back to start the season, and that’s why I like LSU against them early, but I really think they’ll get on a roll late and be an extremely dynamic offense. I can’t wait to see Holgerson against Patterson and Bumpas!
Posted on 5/5/11 at 11:57 am to FootballNostradamus
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He should be pretty well-known to anyone who follows college football more than your average fan which is most people on this board.
You're way overestimating the intelligence of most on here
There are people who know who he is but he still doesn't have the profile of Weiss, Petrino, Mullen, and the like. He'll be overlooked on a list like this because he doesn't have that 'name value' yet.
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You mentioned Arkansas and Petrino, if you gave Holgerson Arkansas’ skill players he’d break every record book in the country.
He'd have a very strong offense, that's for sure.
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Having said that, don’t sleep on WVU
I think he'll do good things with their offense, but that defense...ouch. I think they'll be back to playing in BCS games soon.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 12:10 pm to Boudreaux in SF
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Gus Malzahn, Auburn
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Jim Chaney, Tenn.
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Bobby Petrino, Ar-Kansas
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Dana Holgorsen, WVU
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Chip Kelley, Oregon
Those are the 5 best. I'd be fine with alternating the order in any way.
The rest are about equal... competent guys who will excel when they have talent.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 1:11 pm to OBUDan
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Jim Chaney, Tenn.
It's ludacris to put Chaney over Weis at this point. You can make an argument for him over Mullen, which I'd listen to, but not agree with. However, to have him over Weis is insane IMO.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:54 pm to OBUDan
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Jim Chaney, Tenn.
Glad to see someone mentioned Chaney, he was the person who was the impetus for this thread for me. Back in bygone days when I may or may not have been tempted to wager on a game, his Purdue Offenses were very good against the point spread.
Haven't really paid much attention to Tenn. lately except to laugh about the hiring and prompt departure of Kiffin, but noticed his name in article in a preseason mag. Lightblub clicked - damn we are facing some good OC talent this year. Then took a much closer look. WOW.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 3:07 pm to FootballNostradamus
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It's ludacris to put Chaney over Weis at this point. You can make an argument for him over Mullen, which I'd listen to, but not agree with. However, to have him over Weis is insane IMO.
"Meyer is widely considered one of the most accomplished practitioners of the spread offense. When Meyer got his first head coaching position at Bowling Green, he took trips to visit John L. Smith and Scott Linehan at Louisville, Randy Walker and Kevin Wilson at Northwestern, Bill Snyder at Kansas State, Joe Tiller and Jim Chaney at Purdue, and Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia, all of whom ran some version of the spread offense" - Source: Chris Brown, "The Florida Gator/Urban Meyer Offense
Chaney was one of Urban Meyer's mentors on the Spread, who was Mullen's mentor. IMO, wouldn't be quick to dismiss Chaney, but I can appreciate Mullen's potential.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 3:12 pm to FootballNostradamus
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2. Gus Malzahn – I have a hard time choosing between he and Kelly right here.
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5. Chip Kelly
And then you proceed to put 2 more people ahead of Kelly.
This place gets stoopider by the hour.
This post was edited on 5/5/11 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 5/5/11 at 3:17 pm to Boudreaux in SF
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"Meyer is widely considered one of the most accomplished practitioners of the spread offense. When Meyer got his first head coaching position at Bowling Green, he took trips to visit John L. Smith and Scott Linehan at Louisville, Randy Walker and Kevin Wilson at Northwestern, Bill Snyder at Kansas State, Joe Tiller and Jim Chaney at Purdue, and Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia, all of whom ran some version of the spread offense" - Source: Chris Brown, "The Florida Gator/Urban Meyer Offense
Chaney was one of Urban Meyer's mentors on the Spread, who was Mullen's mentor. IMO, wouldn't be quick to dismiss Chaney, but I can appreciate Mullen's potential.
O I’m not discounting Chaney. I said that you could make an argument for him over Mullen. I wouldn’t buy it, but I’m saying you could make it.
However, to put him over a guy who has won multiple Super Bowls, turned Tom Brady into a multiple Super Bowl winner, had many prolific offenses at Notre Dame, and then made Matt Cassel look like a HOFer in his time at Kansas City is nuts. The guy has proven on every single level that he is as elite as they come when it pertains to developing and scheming an offense.
I thought the Muschamp hire was a bit of a reach by Florida, and I was praying he was going to bring the Texas offensive staff like many rumored. That would have put Florida in an epic tank. However, the signing of Weis was a horrible thing for the rest of the SEC IMO.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 3:33 pm to FootballNostradamus
What is becoming quite a rarity for the Rant, intelligent football discussion.
IMO there is no way to argue against Weis being one of the best.
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However, to put him over a guy who has won multiple Super Bowls, turned Tom Brady into a multiple Super Bowl winner, had many prolific offenses at Notre Dame, and then made Matt Cassel look like a HOFer in his time at Kansas City is nuts. The guy has proven on every single level that he is as elite as they come when it pertains to developing and scheming an offense.
IMO there is no way to argue against Weis being one of the best.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 3:51 pm to MightierThePenIs
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And then you proceed to put 2 more people ahead of Kelly.
This place gets stoopider by the hour.
Well they were all tough decisions after Holgerson, maybe I should have stated that.
I was comparing Malzahn and Kelly because of their similarities. I almost had Kelly at number 2, but ended up deciding upon Malzahn instead. After that, I started thinking more and more about Kelly and comparing him to guys like Weis and Petrino. When I looked into how the latter two had sustained prolonged success at the highest level of competition, either in the SEC or the NFL, I was leaning to dropping Kelly to 5. Then I went with my preference of pro-style over spread and I finalized Kelly at 5.
Is that enough of an explanation to you? Would you actually like to add some substance to the thread or no?
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