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re: Rank the OC/Playcaller that LSU will face in 2011
Posted on 5/5/11 at 4:38 pm to FootballNostradamus
Posted on 5/5/11 at 4:38 pm to FootballNostradamus
Which will have the best athletes to work with?
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Posted on 5/5/11 at 8:25 pm to Rocket
Some good OC in discussion here.For LSU this coming season,I would think Holgerson and Weiss would be a bit tougher as they have yet to face them in a game.The others have played LSU and that should help but still a tough task.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 8:50 pm to FootballNostradamus
I was hoping for more responses before I drew a conclusion from the responses, but here goes:
The 3 no one mentioned:
McElwain's offense won a National Championship and 2x undefeated in conference play in SEC.
Lee's offense won SWC at Rice (not many, if any other can claim that), won SEC West and the man is so highly thought of by Bill Parcells that he hired him 2x (Dallas & Miami).
Sanders is a 20 yr. coaching veteran of the SEC with half those yrs as an OC at Tenn. & Kentucky.
As pointed out above: give any of these 10 coaches talent and they can win.
The 3 no one mentioned:
McElwain's offense won a National Championship and 2x undefeated in conference play in SEC.
Lee's offense won SWC at Rice (not many, if any other can claim that), won SEC West and the man is so highly thought of by Bill Parcells that he hired him 2x (Dallas & Miami).
Sanders is a 20 yr. coaching veteran of the SEC with half those yrs as an OC at Tenn. & Kentucky.
As pointed out above: give any of these 10 coaches talent and they can win.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 9:00 pm to boonecountyman
LSU beat Weis at ND in the Sugar Bowl, never have meet Kelly though.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 9:05 pm to Boudreaux in SF
Nutt will call the plays, not Lee.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 9:14 pm to NIH
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Nutt will call the plays, not Lee.
Just curious, what are you basing this on?
IIRC the last time they worked together at Arky, Lee handled the play calling.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 9:24 pm to Rocket
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Which will have the best athletes to work with?
IMO
1. Weis
2. Petrino
T3. McElwain
T3. Kelly
T5. Holgorsen
T5. Malzahn
7. Mullen (and it's hard to put MSU this low)
8. Chaney
9. Sanders
10. Lee
with the caveat 3 - 7 with razor thin margins.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 9:50 pm to Boudreaux in SF
Nutt has always called the plays or dictated the calls to be made. Ask Gus Malzahn about that.
This post was edited on 5/5/11 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 5/5/11 at 10:11 pm to NIH
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Nutt has always called the plays or dictated the calls to be made. Ask Gus Malzahn about that.
No doubt about Malzahn, but I think there might be a different comfort level w/ Lee. Malzahn was one season removed from high school ball. Lee older than Nutt w/ a ton of experience coaching at the college level.
In regards to this last stint w/ Lee at Ole Miss; why would a QB coach in the NFL leave for a puppet college OC position? Makes me think he will have a high degree of autonomy in his new job.
ETA: Nutt put the clamps on Malzahn after the USC game in which Malzahn's O got obliterated.
This post was edited on 5/5/11 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 5/5/11 at 10:36 pm to Boudreaux in SF
1. Bobby Petrino- Outside of Spurrier, I wouldn't want anyone else in the country calling plays.
2. Dan Mullen- He's done an incredible job at MSU. This year you'll see the extent of his greatness when Chris Relf has All-SEC numbers.
3. Gus Malzahn- It was difficult putting him behind Mullen and Petrino, and I probably should put him in a tie for 2nd behind Petrino with Mullen. His offense is just a little too gimmicky for my taste. I actually thought what he did with Chris Todd was more impressive than what he did last year.
4. Chip Kelley- I'm not sure he's a great playcaller, but he has instilled excellent fundamental football with the zone read.
5. Charlie Weis- His offense at Notre Dame were a little sloppy to me. There's a significant drop-off from Kelley to Weis.
6. Jim Chaney- I like what I saw last year. He keeps the defense off balance because he mixes the play calling really well.
7. Dana Holgersen- I'm not as in love with him as everyone else. His offenses at OSU put up outstanding numbers, but he seems like a flavor of the month type coach. I predict he falls out of favor in the near future.
8. Jim McElwain- His offense haven't evolved any since his arrival at Bama. He reminds me of Crowton. He just had an elite line coach.
9. Randy Sanders- Never been a fan. This is Joker Phillip's offense anyway.
10. David Lee- NEVER been impressed with his work as an offensive coordinator. He's a good quarterbacks coach, not a good offensive coordinator.
2. Dan Mullen- He's done an incredible job at MSU. This year you'll see the extent of his greatness when Chris Relf has All-SEC numbers.
3. Gus Malzahn- It was difficult putting him behind Mullen and Petrino, and I probably should put him in a tie for 2nd behind Petrino with Mullen. His offense is just a little too gimmicky for my taste. I actually thought what he did with Chris Todd was more impressive than what he did last year.
4. Chip Kelley- I'm not sure he's a great playcaller, but he has instilled excellent fundamental football with the zone read.
5. Charlie Weis- His offense at Notre Dame were a little sloppy to me. There's a significant drop-off from Kelley to Weis.
6. Jim Chaney- I like what I saw last year. He keeps the defense off balance because he mixes the play calling really well.
7. Dana Holgersen- I'm not as in love with him as everyone else. His offenses at OSU put up outstanding numbers, but he seems like a flavor of the month type coach. I predict he falls out of favor in the near future.
8. Jim McElwain- His offense haven't evolved any since his arrival at Bama. He reminds me of Crowton. He just had an elite line coach.
9. Randy Sanders- Never been a fan. This is Joker Phillip's offense anyway.
10. David Lee- NEVER been impressed with his work as an offensive coordinator. He's a good quarterbacks coach, not a good offensive coordinator.
This post was edited on 5/5/11 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 5/6/11 at 12:09 am to tuptiger
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7. Dana Holgersen- I'm not as in love with him as everyone else. His offenses at OSU put up outstanding numbers, but he seems like a flavor of the month type coach.
My thoughts exactly, Malzahn and Mullen also-ish in that flavor of the month catagory.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 3:01 am to tuptiger
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7. Dana Holgersen- I'm not as in love with him as everyone else. His offenses at OSU put up outstanding numbers, but he seems like a flavor of the month type coach. I predict he falls out of favor in the near future.
You need to watch more football. He is THE best playcaller in college football and has been for 5 years now, at 3 different schools.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 6:41 am to KennesawTiger
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7. Dana Holgersen- I'm not as in love with him as everyone else. His offenses at OSU put up outstanding numbers, but he seems like a flavor of the month type coach. I predict he falls out of favor in the near future.
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You need to watch more football. He is THE best playcaller in college football and has been for 5 years now, at 3 different schools.
The immediate success Holgerson has had at every stop is simply incredible and hard to adequately describe.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 7:09 am to FootballNostradamus
Kelly, hands down. Read this article from the Wall Street Journal then check back... Coach Chip Kelly by the Wall Street Journal
Posted on 5/6/11 at 8:14 am to DucksflyinPAC
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Kelly, hands down. Read this article from the Wall Street Journal then check back...
Yea I’d already read that article. It’s a solid article, but no one is “hands down” better than Holgorsen or Malzahn. For me the top 2 are clearly Holgorsen and Malzahn. Then you can flip Kelly, Petrino and Weis in about any order you wish.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 8:42 am to KennesawTiger
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He is THE best playcaller in college football and has been for 5 years now, at 3 different schools.
You really think Mike Gundy and Mike Leach let him run their offenses? I got some ocean front property.....
Posted on 5/6/11 at 8:50 am to Rocket
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You really think Mike Gundy and Mike Leach let him run their offenses? I got some ocean front property.....
Do you really think Urban Meyer allowed Dan Mullen to run his offense while at Florida? I think the results he’s had at Mississippi State and the lack of offensive results Meyer has had without him would lean towards ‘yes’. Leach has called Holgorsen one of the smartest minds he’s ever been around. I’m sure he had some input, but Holgorsen was absolutely running most of the show.
And I have zero doubt he was running everything at Oklahoma State. They were 61st in the nation in total offense when he got there and he bumped them to 1st in the nation in one year. Yea I don’t think that was Mike “I’m a Man” Gundy.
Where's your ocean front property?
Posted on 5/6/11 at 9:00 am to FootballNostradamus
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Do you really think Urban Meyer allowed Dan Mullen to run his offense while at Florida? I think the results he’s had at Mississippi State and the lack of offensive results Meyer has had without him would lean towards ‘yes’
I'm not concerned with Meyer and Mullen
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Leach has called Holgorsen one of the smartest minds he’s ever been around. I’m sure he had some input, but Holgorsen was absolutely running most of the show.
Nobody runs Leach's offense but him
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And I have zero doubt he was running everything at Oklahoma State
I got some ocean front property for you...
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Where's your ocean front property?
Nebraska
Posted on 5/6/11 at 9:14 am to Rocket
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I'm not concerned with Meyer and Mullen
It’s the exact same thing. Why will you give Mullen credit and not Holgerson?
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In my factless opinion, nobody runs Leach's offense but him
FIFY
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I got some ocean front property for you...
Rationalize this:
-Oklahoma State’s offensive rank in 2009 without Holgorsen: 70
-Oklahoma State’s offensive rank in 2010 with Holgorsen: 3
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 9:15 am
Posted on 5/6/11 at 9:21 am to FootballNostradamus
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It’s the exact same thing. Why will you give Mullen credit and not Holgerson?
Where did I give Mullen credit?
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FIFY
No, Leach had been the OC at TT just like Spurrier had been at UF and SC
Holgersen may have had a title but it was in name only
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Rationalize this:
-Oklahoma State’s offensive rank in 2009 without Holgorsen: 70
-Oklahoma State’s offensive rank in 2010 with Holgorsen: 3
That doesn't mean Holgersen is to credit.
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