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Trent Johnson
Posted on 2/5/11 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 2/5/11 at 4:56 pm
I have been quiet on Trent Johnson so far. However, this loss today was poor coaching. No doubles on Sidney in the first half.
No Ralston Turner on the second to last possession on offense and a bad timeout with 7 seconds left and LSU up the court on offense. I dont know if this is the guy.
No Ralston Turner on the second to last possession on offense and a bad timeout with 7 seconds left and LSU up the court on offense. I dont know if this is the guy.
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 4:58 pm to robg1124
im more concerned that white and green were allowed to take shite shots and cost us the game way before the time out. role players shouldn't be doing that
Posted on 2/5/11 at 4:58 pm to robg1124
Same here. I like what he has to say and his business like approach, but he is not a very good coach. That last set was a disgrace. Our whole offense is really sad. It looks like a HS offense.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:02 pm to robg1124
I go way back w/ LSU basketball -- I was a student in the late 70s/early 80s "glory days." I am not a "fire the coach" guy. Watched the game today ... man, some of these guys just aren't that good. I can't remember when I saw so many really horrible jump shots that clanged off the rim/backboard, and, guys just losing the handle on the ball going up for a shot. Malcolm White? He just isn't very talented. I have to conclude that Trent just hasn't done a very good job of recruiting. The blame also has to go to LSU in general for not really being supportive of the team -- by that I mean, the overall fan atmosphere is lackluster. Maybe we need another Dale Brown, going around the state handing out purple N gold nets, etc.... Trent is a great coach, but I don't think he really cares about LSU basketball, to that extent (as Dale did.) In all honesty, I'd say Trent has one more year to show progress, otherwise, I think if next yr falls to achieve at the very least an NIT bid, we need to get another coach.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:03 pm to FriscoTiger
His horrible personality is going to cost him this job before he should probably be fired. If he had a Dale Brown personality (heck, even a Gerry Dinardo personality), he'd be able to buy himself more time.
If he doesn't win the West next year, he's fired, IMO. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see him let go after this year either, though I highly doubt that is likely.
If he doesn't win the West next year, he's fired, IMO. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see him let go after this year either, though I highly doubt that is likely.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:04 pm to hashtag
Nice...douchey admins already anchored this thread. Bye bye legit criticism. See ya in the fall.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:05 pm to robg1124
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Trent Johnson
appears to be a decent coach with bad players. LSU Basketball talent is at best an average to below average Sun Belt team.
It appears the Administration will give him his 5 years to build the program and see what the dice rolls. Fans don't care enough to put any emphasis on taking drastic measures. He's a proven winner in 2 conferences. He just doesn't have the players yet.
LSU fans will simple have to suffer and cross their fingers on the future.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:08 pm to hashtag
Win the West next Year?
Maybe a winning season is what our 1st goal should be.
Remember it will ONLY be Year 4 in the 5 Year plan.
Maybe a winning season is what our 1st goal should be.
Remember it will ONLY be Year 4 in the 5 Year plan.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:10 pm to teeMike
Ultimately, the head coach bears the brunt if the team isn't winning, regardless of whether it's fair or not. If the players aren't good enough, let's face it, it's the coach's job to recruit better players. If the fans are apathetic, it's the coach's job to fire them up. I think Trent is a good enough coach to recruit well at LSU and coach 'em up, but for whatever reason something is missing, and I think it's that Dale Brown-type fervor. Dale wasn't the best gameday coach, or X's and O's coach (although his "freak" defense won some tourney games in the mid-80s) but he could recruit on a national level. Bottom line, Trent needs to recruit more talent and needs to somehow light a fire under the fanbase, whether that is fair or not, and whether that really should be in his job description or not.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:11 pm to teeMike
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He just doesn't have the players yet.
This is college basketball. You don't get 5 years to build a program. You should be able to win and win big within 2, maximum 3 years.
The players/talent problem is his fault. He's the head coach, therefore the lead recruiter. He has replaced an SEC Championship team with the "average to below average Sun Belt team" that you see today. That was him. That wasn't the fans, administration or anyone else.
He knew the situation coming in. He has failed to recruit players with SEC talent. If he hasn't done it in 3 years, I doubt it is going to magically happen.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:13 pm to Paulu
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Remember it will ONLY be Year 4 in the 5 Year plan.
College basketball does not allow for 4 or 5 year plans. Your best players are going to leave after 1 year and you have to be able to build talent with what you have. Trent has failed miserably in that. He has to win the West next year or he is gone. He inherited an SEC Championship team.
He doesn't get 5 full years because he managed a winning record. He better win something next year or his butt is packing.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:17 pm to Paulu
And he won the SEC in his first year. Between that and his resume, it's obvious he can coach. I have been a TJ supporter but I am losing a little faith. Being young is not an excuse in college basketball. I think we all have unrealistic expectations of LSU basketball. Hard to recruit for a team that gets no support, when there are TONS of great options in college basketball. I think the rise of the mid major killed mid level BCS basketball.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:21 pm to hashtag
quote:
He has failed to recruit players with SEC talent. If he hasn't done it in 3 years, I doubt it is going to magically happen
This is what the true issue is, and why I think it's time to cut bait and get another coach. LSU wasn't far removed from the Final Four when he came, and he took his 1st team (with Brady's recruits) to an SEC championship and played UNC as close as anybody. There was no "rebuilding" to do, just a need to keep bringing in good players. Before you condemn Brady by saying it was all just the local talent, remember he found Jaime Lloreda and Anthony Randolph too, as well as the infamous Ross Neltner...
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:23 pm to ehidal1
Recruiting, and building fan support, doesn't take genius, it takes hard work, and hitting the pavement. Not sure Trent has the fire in his belly. I think we need a young Dale Brown, Elmer Gantry apostle-type guy who will lead the program out of the wilderness. Trent gets one more year to show progress, IMO -- not necessarily win the West, but at least, a winning record and NIT. Looking at this roster, Stringer, Derenbecker and Turner are a good nucleus. Dotson is slightly above avg, Ludwig avg to below avg - a role player/career bench player. Green, Bass, White are all average, at best, maybe slightly below SEC-caliber. No idea if Hamilton will be a good post player next yr -- if he has the same impact as White, or lack thereof, that's another potential bust. O'Bryant hopefully is as good as advertised; I know nothing about Isaac. I think Trent needs a killer recruiting class to save his job.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:25 pm to hashtag
All coaches are dicks when they are losing night in and night out. Trent is not an a-hole.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:29 pm to hashtag
No - you never recruit players that "might" leave early. It is too short term. Hmmmmm ...
Vast majority of freshmen stay after year 1.
2010 NBA 1st rounders
7 of 30 - freshmen
8 of 30 - Sophomores
Half are Jr and Sr
We currently struggle to sign kids in the Top 100 HS in the nation.
Leaving early is NOT an LSU concern. We are hoping that the light bulb goes off eventually when players reach year 3 and 4.
Is one kid ranked as the #7 PF in his class with another kid not even ranked at his position going to turn around this program next year?
We have no other choice right now but to hope these kids develop.
Vast majority of freshmen stay after year 1.
2010 NBA 1st rounders
7 of 30 - freshmen
8 of 30 - Sophomores
Half are Jr and Sr
We currently struggle to sign kids in the Top 100 HS in the nation.
Leaving early is NOT an LSU concern. We are hoping that the light bulb goes off eventually when players reach year 3 and 4.
Is one kid ranked as the #7 PF in his class with another kid not even ranked at his position going to turn around this program next year?
We have no other choice right now but to hope these kids develop.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:37 pm to hashtag
No - you never recruit players that "might" leave early. It is too short term. Hmmmmm ...
Vast majority of freshmen stay after year 1.
2010 NBA 1st rounders
7 of 30 - freshmen
8 of 30 - Sophomores
Half are Jr and Sr
We currently struggle to sign kids in the Top 100 HS in the nation.
Leaving early is NOT an LSU concern. We are hoping that the light bulb goes off eventually when players reach year 3 and 4.
Is one kid ranked as the #7 PF in his class with another kid not even ranked at his position going to turn around this program next year?
We have no other choice right now but to hope these kids develop.
Vast majority of freshmen stay after year 1.
2010 NBA 1st rounders
7 of 30 - freshmen
8 of 30 - Sophomores
Half are Jr and Sr
We currently struggle to sign kids in the Top 100 HS in the nation.
Leaving early is NOT an LSU concern. We are hoping that the light bulb goes off eventually when players reach year 3 and 4.
Is one kid ranked as the #7 PF in his class with another kid not even ranked at his position going to turn around this program next year?
We have no other choice right now but to hope these kids develop.
Posted on 2/5/11 at 5:52 pm to TigerJeff
Like someone said in another thread, We need a coach and a salesman. We need both and it sounds like we were both at LSU at the same time. I was there from fall of 1979 until I graduated in August 1983 and like you many glory years under Dale Brown. I even camped out on the then Assembly Center ramp waiting to get into the student section for Kentucky vs LSU game. But to get the crowd back someone is going to have to do gimmicks or a good sales job to get butts in the seats, just like Bertman did with the Baseball team coming off the miserable Jack LaMabe years. Once the team starts winning , the support will ultimately begin to grow once again. 
Posted on 2/5/11 at 6:01 pm to windhammontanatigers
I camped out on the ramp too for that game, if it's the one you're talking about -- we lost in overtime on a Kyle Macy shot ... some guy was chanting on the ramp, "Kyle Macy, blows people!"
Posted on 2/5/11 at 6:11 pm to ehidal1
quote:
it's obvious he can coach
WTF are u smokin?
it's obvious he can coach
WTF are u smokin?
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