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College Football Death Penalty
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:17 am
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:17 am
Following the SMU Death Peanlty, the program was never really the same, and with all of the auburn/half of the nations teams under investigation, its interesting to think about. Is the NCAA ever going to hand out that harsh of a penalty again? should they be allowed to? SMU may never be the same, and i'm not really sure it'd ever be right to do that to another team.
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Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:18 am to tigerfan102
No. High ranking officials have said it was too strong a penalty and they would never do it again
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:21 am to manwich
Yeah, its understandable to drop a severe sanction down on schools who are deserving but the complete DP i believe takes things too far
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:23 am to tigerfan102
Bama, TAMU and AU would argue that it was pretty effective in the 90's. SC is feeling it right now.
The attorney's are better now and so are these compliance officers who once worked for the NCAA that work for these universities.
If the cheating were not public and the NCAA could just make a ruling and it wouldn't be questioned, things would be different.
The media is far more advanced than even the early 90's that the NCAA is really being examined almost instantaneously when it makes any kind of ruling. there is a lot more pressure to get things right now, so it's lattitude is way less.
Look our former President was shoving cigars up the pussy of an intern and giving them to heads of state, getting head in the oval office and got off b/c of how he defined "sexual relations". We can lie our way out of anything now. See Cecil Newton and SCAM.
The attorney's are better now and so are these compliance officers who once worked for the NCAA that work for these universities.
If the cheating were not public and the NCAA could just make a ruling and it wouldn't be questioned, things would be different.
The media is far more advanced than even the early 90's that the NCAA is really being examined almost instantaneously when it makes any kind of ruling. there is a lot more pressure to get things right now, so it's lattitude is way less.
Look our former President was shoving cigars up the pussy of an intern and giving them to heads of state, getting head in the oval office and got off b/c of how he defined "sexual relations". We can lie our way out of anything now. See Cecil Newton and SCAM.
This post was edited on 12/24/10 at 12:34 am
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:23 am to tigerfan102
Did you get to watch that 30 for 30? the guy at the press conference who laid the smackdown on SMU could hardly get the words out and then fainted on the way out. he knew the implications and that it was too harsh. So, no, i dont think the NCAA will ever do that again.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:23 am to tigerfan102
Those bitches had it coming. Now, that was one arrogant, self-righteous fanbase.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:28 am to MondayMorningMarch
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Those bitches had it coming.
I agree with you in the fact that they needed to have severe sanctions placed on the school, but to have the effects still being felt by the school today is definitly too harsh. Not only was the school effected, but some say it eventually led to the crashing of the entire southwestern conference. The effects were felt by more than just the team. I'd personally like to see the SMU program rebuilt into a team that can compete nationally. And some how rebound within 5-10 years
This post was edited on 12/24/10 at 12:29 am
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:47 am to tigerfan102
Yeah I doubt the Death Penalty will ever occur again because I doubt we'll ever see another college football team with players on an illegal payroll system like SMU.
SMU got the Death Penalty for being on strict probation and blatantly doing the same thing they had been busted of doing before.
For Auburn to get the DP, it would take Cam getting busted and then 2 years later it being revealed most of the team was getting monthly payments. And that ain't happening.
SMU got the Death Penalty for being on strict probation and blatantly doing the same thing they had been busted of doing before.
For Auburn to get the DP, it would take Cam getting busted and then 2 years later it being revealed most of the team was getting monthly payments. And that ain't happening.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:47 am to MondayMorningMarch
quote:Doing nothing that the other SWC schools weren't doing, too.
Those bitches had it coming
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:48 am to tigerfan102
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eventually led to the crashing of the entire southwestern conference. The effects were felt by more than just the team. I'd personally like to see the SMU program rebuilt into a team that can compete nationally. And some how rebound within 5-10 years
You nailed it. Fully agree with this.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:56 am to Jaketigger
So it's SMU's fault we got Arky?!?!? Now, I REALLY hate those bitches!!!
Posted on 12/24/10 at 11:26 am to tigerfan102
No. I think that was the whole point of the ESPN 30 for 30. It was called "Pony Exce$$" to make you think that the ponies/SMU were the ones that had acted excessively, but the last hour was focused on what a harsh measure the death penalty was, and ESPN's implication was that the NCAA had acted "excessively" by killing a program for 20 years. It was a very sympathetic portrayal of SMU (everyone was doing it, rogue boosters, how great it was that the program was "finally" back, etc.) that partially explains why the NCAA is such a feckless organization today.
College sports is a downbound train.
College sports is a downbound train.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 11:50 am to RockChalkTiger
I would imagine that the man was fearful of his safety after giving them the death penalty. He probably is lucky he just passed out and got sick.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 11:53 am to blaine159
What SMU did was a whole different scenario. They went out and paid for players who had NO CONNECTIONS what so ever to the school. They were getting guys from all over the country. What really blew the lid off was when they got a player for Pennsylvania who was a poor kid who had a sickly father and low income. All of a sudden he's in Texas playing for SMU, his parents move to Texas, they get fantastic jobs, and his Dad can pay for his medical bills. Eventually the player would get hurt, moved back to Penn. and Skip Bayless interviewed him out of curiosity. SMU got the death penalty and now Skip Bayless is on ESPN every day. The end.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:06 pm to DeafJam73
You watched Pony Excess. Congratulations!
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:06 pm to DeafJam73
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College Football Death Penalty
What SMU did was a whole different scenario. They went out and paid for players who had NO CONNECTIONS what so ever to the school. They were getting guys from all over the country. What really blew the lid off was when they got a player for Pennsylvania who was a poor kid who had a sickly father and low income. All of a sudden he's in Texas playing for SMU, his parents move to Texas, they get fantastic jobs, and his Dad can pay for his medical bills. Eventually the player would get hurt, moved back to Penn. and Skip Bayless interviewed him out of curiosity. SMU got the death penalty and now Skip Bayless is on ESPN every day. The end.
Not just this, but this was the 3rd almost identical offense in 5 years. At the time they got the death penalty, they were already down to 0 scholarships. No school today would ever be that brash. It won't happen again.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:26 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
What I find funny is when ESPN goes to Craig James to get his input or reaction to an NCAA violation. Hell he was part of the problem at SMU during the day! Geez!! 
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:44 pm to TN River Tiger
Since then, it seems like ineligibility for bowl games is the big thing since then...and there was a slew of teams that were national contenders that were left out cold. People make a big deal out of the USC thing, but I remember several teams being ineligible for championships and bowls despite being damn good teams.
(Late 80's to mid 90's)
Auburn
Florida
Texas A&M
Houston
Miami?
Mississippi State?
(2000s)
Alabama
(Late 80's to mid 90's)
Auburn
Florida
Texas A&M
Houston
Miami?
Mississippi State?
(2000s)
Alabama
Posted on 12/24/10 at 12:57 pm to tigerfan102
The Cajuns' basketball team was given the death penalty for having black guys on the team.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 1:04 pm to TexasTiger08
at some point, the death penalty stopped being the cause of SMU's problems. the SWC imploded around that point because it was holding back Texas and Texas A&M on the regional level. no major conference today would have two teams in houston and two in dallas with two flagships in the state
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