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Are Lee's stats artificially inflated?
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:21 am
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:21 am
Opposing defenses have been practicing against stopping the run against LSU. Our inept passing game hasn't been much of a factor with drops by the recieving corp, poor passing play from our starting QB and 100 ypg passing. Then Lee comes in with the ability to throw the ball and we start getting first downs and scoring.
That being said. Defenses will now have to prepare to defend the pass more since they've seen JL consistently move the ball down field. Can JL keep the 70% completion rate going?
Edit: He also has a small sample size to compare to as well. JR was close to 70% and had arguably the best year as an LSU QB ever.
That being said. Defenses will now have to prepare to defend the pass more since they've seen JL consistently move the ball down field. Can JL keep the 70% completion rate going?
Edit: He also has a small sample size to compare to as well. JR was close to 70% and had arguably the best year as an LSU QB ever.
This post was edited on 10/22/10 at 11:24 am
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Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:23 am to TigerWilson88
Yes, he can. Teams have to respect the run. I'd like to see what he can do for a WHOLE game.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:24 am to liquid rabbit
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Yes, he can. Teams have to respect the run. I'd like to see what he can do for a WHOLE game.
Me too
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:28 am to TigerWilson88
Yes, they are.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:31 am to OBUDan
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Yes, they are.
did he actually throw those passes?
if the answer is yes....you are wrong.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:31 am to TigerWilson88
By your logic, shouldn't JJ also be killing those same defenses designed to stop the run?
The answer is simple: if he could read a defense properly and throw accurate passes, then he'd have stats similar to Lee's and, quite frankly, JL wouldn't see the field except during warmups.
The answer is simple: if he could read a defense properly and throw accurate passes, then he'd have stats similar to Lee's and, quite frankly, JL wouldn't see the field except during warmups.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:32 am to TigerWilson88
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Defenses will now have to prepare to defend the pass more since they've seen JL consistently move the ball down field
Yes, because defenses completely forget how to run a pass defense if they don't practice it that week
If this were true you would see a slight decrease in production from lee after halftime. He does better as the game goes on
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:33 am to TigerWilson88
No. Florida anticipated Lee possibly starting and playing the whole game and though that did not happen,they could not stop him when he was in. And their defense is head and shoulders better than Auburn's. Had Lee been the starter this entire season as he should have coming off the spring, I believe LSU would be averaging at least 35 points and 400 ypg. HE has developed that much; still not great but probably one of the top 5 passers in the SEC if given the chance. He and his receivers will do some damage against Au. Hopefully it's enough.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:36 am to TigerWilson88
you guys are hilarious 
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:38 am to CptBengal
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did he actually throw those passes?
if the answer is yes....you are wrong.
Huh?
I'm saying that people projecting his stats like this:
9/11, 124 yards, 2 TDs vs. Florida in basically a quarter of play.
That means he would be 36/44, 496 yards and 8 TDs a game!
It's silly.
You are such an obvious troll for Lee it's kinda sad. I want the guy to start and play more as much as the next guy, but that doesn't mean his stats aren't inflated.
Lee has benefited from teams not having to devote a full week of practice to stopping him. That's just a fact.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:41 am to OBUDan
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I'm saying that people projecting his stats like this:
9/11, 124 yards, 2 TDs vs. Florida in basically a quarter of play.
That means he would be 36/44, 496 yards and 8 TDs a game!
It's silly.
Those ARE artificially inflated stats. NOT what the OP asked. His actual stats are NOT artificially inflated, because they are the actual performance.
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You are such an obvious troll for Lee it's kinda sad.
Like your constant excuses for JJ, or your need to diminish JL's obvious effect on the team and the improvement on offense.
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Lee has benefited from teams not having to devote a full week of practice to stopping him. That's just a fact.
Trust me, teams spend WAY more time on stopping Lee than they do on stopping JJ.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:41 am to mtntiger
J. Lee is the real deal. He looks like he's matured a helluva lot since that 2008 "Pick 6" season. He could've tucked his tail between his legs, quit in shame and run off to play QB at Tarleton State, NSU or SFA Univ. He didn't. He sucked it up like a man, dealt with it and determined to improve; and obviously, he has. I think JJ is a talented QB but when it comes to performing under stress, thus far this season J. Lee looks like he's a cool-headed leader on a mission to win. Neither has Lee whined publically about not starting, despite clearly being the most productive QB. He’s a “quiet professional” and I like his character. Methinks the Aubie D is in for a surprise tomorrow afternoon.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:41 am to slapahoe
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Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:43 am to TigerWilson88
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Are Lee's stats artificially inflated?
No. They just look that way next to JJs.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:45 am to OBUDan
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9/11, 124 yards, 2 TDs vs. Florida in basically a quarter of play.
That means he would be 36/44, 496 yards and 8 TDs a game!
It's silly.
You are such an obvious troll for Lee it's kinda sad. I want the guy to start and play more as much as the next guy, but that doesn't mean his stats aren't inflated.
Lee has benefited from teams not having to devote a full week of practice to stopping him. That's just a fact.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:47 am to CptBengal
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Those ARE artificially inflated stats. NOT what the OP asked. His actual stats are NOT artificially inflated, because they are the actual performance
He had a great game against Florida. Does he still have 11.whatever yards per attempt and only two incompletions if he's the starter all 4 quarters... not likely. That's stat inflation...
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Like your constant excuses for JJ, or your need to diminish JL's obvious effect on the team and the improvement on offense.
Typical you. I've maintained more playing time for Lee since the Tennessee game. Was fine with moving him to starter after the Florida game.
But yeah, gotta diminish Lee! That's my M.O.! JJ lover here! Yep, that's me!
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Trust me, teams spend WAY more time on stopping Lee than they do on stopping JJ.
Why should I trust you? Because you sit behind a keyboard and hype Lee in nearly every post?
The reason we continue to see both guys play is that defenses continue to have to prepare for both guys. Regardless of your spite for JJ and how worthless you think he is, teams are still forced to account for what he may contribute in a game, just as teams are forced to account for what Lee may contribute to the game.
The idea is that both should be improved. IT worked against Florida. McNeese, JJ played terribly. Lee played a slightly better version of terrible. I tend not to count much of anything from that game, because the entire team was lethargic.
JJ made a costly turnover vs. Florida and that was unfortunate. Otherwise, he played well. Lee played out of his mind against Florida.
Lee should be the QB going forward. The passing game is much better with him in there. I don't mind JJ getting some snaps here and there. But to act like defenses don't have to account for JJ and spend all their time on Lee is plainly silly.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:49 am to TigerWilson88
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Opposing defenses have been practicing against stopping the run against LSU. Our inept passing game hasn't been much of a factor with drops by the recieving corp, poor passing play from our starting QB and 100 ypg passing. Then Lee comes in with the ability to throw the ball and we start getting first downs and scoring.
I reject the notion that there's somehow something "artificial" about these variables.
Posted on 10/22/10 at 11:52 am to TigerWilson88
I say no because of the following. A good bit of Lee's drives have been with LSU behind or barely ahead and the opposition knows we are going to be throwing! It is not like Florida or Tenn was playing the run on his last drive and he caught them off guard. Sure playing the whole game his %completions may be down some but also wouldnt you think his yards and TD's would be up?
Posted on 10/22/10 at 12:01 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Opposing defenses have been practicing against stopping the run against LSU. Our inept passing game hasn't been much of a factor with drops by the recieving corp, poor passing play from our starting QB and 100 ypg passing. Then Lee comes in with the ability to throw the ball and we start getting first downs and scoring.
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I reject the notion that there's somehow something "artificial" about these variables.
Those were said to lay the framework for the real question.
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That being said. Defenses will now have to prepare to defend the pass more since they've seen JL consistently move the ball down field. Can JL keep the 70% completion rate going?
This post was edited on 10/22/10 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 10/22/10 at 12:10 pm to Rudy40
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I say no because of the following. A good bit of Lee's drives have been with LSU behind or barely ahead and the opposition knows we are going to be throwing! It is not like Florida or Tenn was playing the run on his last drive and he caught them off guard. Sure playing the whole game his %completions may be down some but also wouldnt you think his yards and TD's would be up?
this is 120% correct... I'm sorry, was that answer inflated?
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