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Shut the valve and let the yankee bastards freeze in the dark
Posted on 6/20/10 at 9:00 am
Posted on 6/20/10 at 9:00 am
Remember this bumper sticker from the 80's. Well,the Governor of La. can actually do this. In order to lift the moratorium, The Gov. can threaten to declare an emergency safety inspection on all pipelines and or wells within La. essentially shutting off all pipelines and wells until the inspections are done. While this could hurt us financially for awhile, we might want to bite the bullet now, than die the slow death at the hands of the Presidet and the Green Energy proponets
A few years ago, local and state officials told MMS that La. was going to object to the upcoming offshore lease sale. This is the same thing that FL, CA, and VA do for each attempted lease sale in their states to prevent drilling off their shores. La. has never, ever objected to a lease sale. Once they saw that La. was serious, Congress finally gave in and finally gave La. 37.5 percent of all Outer Continental Shelf royalties. We had been trying to get our share of these royalties for 30 years. We never had to actually go through with the objection to the lease sale. The mere threat was enough.
I know that this sounds a bit over the edge, but it is one of the tools at our disposal. If the President can shut down the main economic engine of our state, then we can shut off the country to the oil that they need. Let the price of oil skyrocket and I bet the country realizes the importance of La. to this nation.
For far too long La. has been treated as second class citizens of this country. Our resources have been exploited to near depletion by this country's need for oil, we have been one of the few states that has allowed oil and gas development within our boundries and what do we have to show for it. Our environment has been destroyed partially by oil exploration in our wetlands, the corps of engs has leveed off our wetlands from sediments needed to renurish the marshes, when do we have enough of this abuse. Many on this board are of the opinion that events like the oil spill and Katrina, if they happened on the east coast or Calif. would have been handled a lot differently than they were handled here.
Perhaps an equally outragious act by our Governor, of threating to shut the valve would counter the outragious act of the potus shutting down the drilling.
A few years ago, local and state officials told MMS that La. was going to object to the upcoming offshore lease sale. This is the same thing that FL, CA, and VA do for each attempted lease sale in their states to prevent drilling off their shores. La. has never, ever objected to a lease sale. Once they saw that La. was serious, Congress finally gave in and finally gave La. 37.5 percent of all Outer Continental Shelf royalties. We had been trying to get our share of these royalties for 30 years. We never had to actually go through with the objection to the lease sale. The mere threat was enough.
I know that this sounds a bit over the edge, but it is one of the tools at our disposal. If the President can shut down the main economic engine of our state, then we can shut off the country to the oil that they need. Let the price of oil skyrocket and I bet the country realizes the importance of La. to this nation.
For far too long La. has been treated as second class citizens of this country. Our resources have been exploited to near depletion by this country's need for oil, we have been one of the few states that has allowed oil and gas development within our boundries and what do we have to show for it. Our environment has been destroyed partially by oil exploration in our wetlands, the corps of engs has leveed off our wetlands from sediments needed to renurish the marshes, when do we have enough of this abuse. Many on this board are of the opinion that events like the oil spill and Katrina, if they happened on the east coast or Calif. would have been handled a lot differently than they were handled here.
Perhaps an equally outragious act by our Governor, of threating to shut the valve would counter the outragious act of the potus shutting down the drilling.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 9:15 am to TIGA 80
Solid post. I hope that the frustration has the Jindal crowd thinking about it. All we have to do is shutdown the pipelines that carry gasoline and diesel to the East Coast and we will see BHO reversing course in a hurry.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 9:38 am to Icansee4miles
As a neighbor who cares about as well as LOVES your state, I would love this and support it 100%. Maybe we could get our governor off his dead arse and do something like it as well because a lot of us are being hurt by the shutdown as well.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 9:46 am to TIGA 80
Terrible post
How is going to Green Energy causing a slow death?
Royalties for LA will be changing soon. Its mindboggling how a state with so much oil coming through is one of the poorest and ranks next to last in nearly every category.
Oil and Gas HAS destroyed our wetlands. From GIS Data 11% of landloss alone can be attributed to cutting of canals. You factor in the the mosquito effect, and old process of leveeing canals and causing compaction behind its near 47%. Yes leeving the Miss River has contributed to wetland loss too.
Oil is the main economic engine in Louisiana. Much like steel was for up north and auto manufacturing plants. Hundreds of thousands loss their jobs when the steel industry collapsed. Many more hundreds of thousands when the auto industry went belly up. These places were near ghost towns 2-3 years when the recession was in full swing. Louisiana stayed relatively unscathed during that period because of the 191Billion federal handout from Katrina.
How is going to Green Energy causing a slow death?
Royalties for LA will be changing soon. Its mindboggling how a state with so much oil coming through is one of the poorest and ranks next to last in nearly every category.
Oil and Gas HAS destroyed our wetlands. From GIS Data 11% of landloss alone can be attributed to cutting of canals. You factor in the the mosquito effect, and old process of leveeing canals and causing compaction behind its near 47%. Yes leeving the Miss River has contributed to wetland loss too.
Oil is the main economic engine in Louisiana. Much like steel was for up north and auto manufacturing plants. Hundreds of thousands loss their jobs when the steel industry collapsed. Many more hundreds of thousands when the auto industry went belly up. These places were near ghost towns 2-3 years when the recession was in full swing. Louisiana stayed relatively unscathed during that period because of the 191Billion federal handout from Katrina.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 9:56 am to Mudminnow
What do the Levee's have to do with Oil??? Nothing.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 10:57 am to Mudminnow
quote:
How is going to Green Energy causing a slow death?
If you don't see this, there is no hope for you.
Although it is probably better phrased as the DESIRE for Green Energy. They know their pie in the sky renewable energy will never be economically viable on the scale they want to apply it, so they are going to legislate the viability out of fossil fuels with cap and trade.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 11:03 am to TIGA 80
i would shut the valves off on all the production rigs in the gulf. oil would go up to about $160 a barrel. frick barry.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 11:03 am to Volvagia
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They know their pie in the sky renewable energy will never be economically viable on the scale they want to apply it, so they are going to legislate the viability out of fossil fuels with cap and trade.
Exactly. And that leaves us where? (hint-think about what happened to Greece when everyone suddenly realized they didn't manufacture anything anymore)
Posted on 6/20/10 at 11:59 am to TIGA 80
Yeah while you are doing that let's just shut off all of the tax dollars that Louisiana gets to. But you will show them won't you? FREAK!
Posted on 6/20/10 at 12:36 pm to PhoenixLSUTiger
Actually, La. receives not a penny from oil that flows through the pipelines. Whether the oil is imported and sent through the loop pipeline or through other pipelines with domestically produced oil, La. receives zero. The revenues that La. receives is the royalties from oil and gas produced within the state borders on state own lands and water bottoms. The state, Parishes, and political subdivisions such as school boards and levee districts receive some of their revenue from those royalties as well.
What we have to first calculate is how much of these revenues are we able to withstand losing and for how long, before we would threaten to shut the valve. My point was, calculating those revenue losses against what could be substantially more losses, with the moratorium or any other WH initiatives to curtail oil exploration.
La. needs to make a bold move. A emergency safety inspection could be proposed and proceded with by the Gov. Now it could be a game of chicken to see who blinks first, the state or the President. The President who is accustomed to chicago style shakedowns will understand his predictament if La. takes this course. Congress blinked, when we threatened to object to the lease sale. I think they would blink to this threat as well.
La. needs to stand up for itself. We are portrayed as oh poor La. with their hand out. With the Oil that has been mined from this state, we should have the best of everything. Sadly our politics have sold us out over the years. Just as the tea party has awakened the population to the abuses of govt spending and lack of common sense in its policies, the people of La. should as well be awakened to the abuses we have withstood for decades and demand changes as to how we should be treated in terms of our environment and our mineral resources.
The thing is that Calif, Fla and other states with oil and gas resources watch how La. has been taken advantage of and are just waiting till all the experiments and abuses to La. have been exhausted and new standards are met before they allow drilling for oil off of their states. When their resources are finaly mined, they will make sure that they get what is right for their environment and their royalties. By the time that happens, La. will be left holding the bag with depleted resources and a destroyed environment
What we have to first calculate is how much of these revenues are we able to withstand losing and for how long, before we would threaten to shut the valve. My point was, calculating those revenue losses against what could be substantially more losses, with the moratorium or any other WH initiatives to curtail oil exploration.
La. needs to make a bold move. A emergency safety inspection could be proposed and proceded with by the Gov. Now it could be a game of chicken to see who blinks first, the state or the President. The President who is accustomed to chicago style shakedowns will understand his predictament if La. takes this course. Congress blinked, when we threatened to object to the lease sale. I think they would blink to this threat as well.
La. needs to stand up for itself. We are portrayed as oh poor La. with their hand out. With the Oil that has been mined from this state, we should have the best of everything. Sadly our politics have sold us out over the years. Just as the tea party has awakened the population to the abuses of govt spending and lack of common sense in its policies, the people of La. should as well be awakened to the abuses we have withstood for decades and demand changes as to how we should be treated in terms of our environment and our mineral resources.
The thing is that Calif, Fla and other states with oil and gas resources watch how La. has been taken advantage of and are just waiting till all the experiments and abuses to La. have been exhausted and new standards are met before they allow drilling for oil off of their states. When their resources are finaly mined, they will make sure that they get what is right for their environment and their royalties. By the time that happens, La. will be left holding the bag with depleted resources and a destroyed environment
Posted on 6/20/10 at 12:50 pm to TIGA 80
I like the idea, we need a bold move
Posted on 6/20/10 at 1:44 pm to TIGA 80
that would be great theater.
Southern Gov on the biggest stage.
Guess what?
In the winter of 2011, POTUS will federalize the LA national guard, and spank Jindal in public.
All the northern tier of TOSS UP states, including MICH, OHIO, PA, CONN, MT, Wash, thankful to Obama vote straight DEM ticket in 2012, ending the brief stalemate of 2010.
Southern Gov on the biggest stage.
Guess what?
In the winter of 2011, POTUS will federalize the LA national guard, and spank Jindal in public.
All the northern tier of TOSS UP states, including MICH, OHIO, PA, CONN, MT, Wash, thankful to Obama vote straight DEM ticket in 2012, ending the brief stalemate of 2010.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 1:50 pm to TIGA 80
Need an example...Just look at Alaska and the royalties both the state and individuals receive from the oil and gas industry.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 2:26 pm to ottothewise
that would be great theater.
Southern Gov on the biggest stage.
Great, La. Tx, MS, AL, GA,and any other southern state that wants to join us can and we all file for secession, nationalize the oil industry and we begin the war all over again. The Civil war should have been 2/3 anyway. La. can sink barges in the MS river and flood all those yankee states. We would have one of the largest navies in the world. You yankees can go find your oil with whatever dictator or islamic country you wish to do business with. That is what Lord Obama wants anyway. We really dont need anything those northern states produce since they sent all their jobs overseas already. We have oil which they do need. Our currency could be based on the price of oil, called the petro dollar. Without Oil all other forms of currency is worthless. Try putting your windmills on top of your cars and wait for the wind to blow.
Southern Gov on the biggest stage.
quote:
? Guess what
In the winter of 2011, POTUS will federalize the LA national guard, and spank Jindal in public.
All the northern tier of TOSS UP states, including MICH, OHIO, PA, CONN, MT, Wash, thankful to Obama vote straight DEM ticket in 2012, ending the brief stalemate of 2010
Great, La. Tx, MS, AL, GA,and any other southern state that wants to join us can and we all file for secession, nationalize the oil industry and we begin the war all over again. The Civil war should have been 2/3 anyway. La. can sink barges in the MS river and flood all those yankee states. We would have one of the largest navies in the world. You yankees can go find your oil with whatever dictator or islamic country you wish to do business with. That is what Lord Obama wants anyway. We really dont need anything those northern states produce since they sent all their jobs overseas already. We have oil which they do need. Our currency could be based on the price of oil, called the petro dollar. Without Oil all other forms of currency is worthless. Try putting your windmills on top of your cars and wait for the wind to blow.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 2:27 pm to TIGA 80
Let's stick to offshore shite, yall keep my onshore wells/pipelines out of this pissing match.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 11:27 pm to Bussemer
No doubt. If that happens then someone better send me some insulated underwear.
Posted on 6/20/10 at 11:42 pm to TIGA 80
quote:
Great, La. Tx, MS, AL, GA,and any other southern state that wants to join us can and we all file for secession, nationalize the oil industry and we begin the war all over again. The Civil war should have been 2/3 anyway. La. can sink barges in the MS river and flood all those yankee states. We would have one of the largest navies in the world. You yankees can go find your oil with whatever dictator or islamic country you wish to do business with. That is what Lord Obama wants anyway. We really dont need anything those northern states produce since they sent all their jobs overseas already. We have oil which they do need. Our currency could be based on the price of oil, called the petro dollar. Without Oil all other forms of currency is worthless. Try putting your windmills on top of your cars and wait for the wind to blow.
You do realize with live in the UNITED States of America, dipshit?
Or are you still pissed that the south lost the civil war?
This post was edited on 6/20/10 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:04 am to ottothewise
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In the winter of 2011, POTUS will federalize the LA national guard, and spank Jindal in public.
For what? Where is it written that LA must keep oil pipelines running through their state?
I may be wrong, but the federal government can not tell a state what type of commerce the state must allow.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:43 am to C
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I may be wrong, but the federal government can not tell a state what type of commerce the state must allow.
Apparently with the globalization of the modern world, with no true economic isolation, the Commerce Clause can be interpreted to apply to anything.
I did find it humorous that he thinks that Obama should militarily strike down LA basically doing the same thing HE is doing to us, for overtly the same reasons.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 2:16 am to Volvagia
Going green is no freaking threat to the oil industry. Making oil pay for green technology that can't come close to competing is a threat.
We need technological advancements to more solar and such forward. The way that happens faster is with money for investment in the research. If we tax ourself into the poorhouse then there is not going to be the rapid advancement of green technology.
Think about it the biggest users of green shite are reach people and rich countries.
We need technological advancements to more solar and such forward. The way that happens faster is with money for investment in the research. If we tax ourself into the poorhouse then there is not going to be the rapid advancement of green technology.
Think about it the biggest users of green shite are reach people and rich countries.
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