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So, was there ever a disaster plan for a situation like this?
Posted on 5/10/10 at 8:59 am
Posted on 5/10/10 at 8:59 am
it doesnt appear so if they, still to this day, are trying to decide what to do.
this is rediculous
this is rediculous
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Posted on 5/10/10 at 9:04 am to mpar98
I passed by the BP office on Hwy 311 while coming back into Houma with the RV. That place is ridiculous with at least 500 vehicles in the parking lot. That place must be a mad house inside. Had a few TV crew trailers set up outside.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 9:06 am to mpar98
BP better hope that the formation collapses or the casing collapses soon.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 9:17 am to Placebeaux
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I passed by the BP office on Hwy 311 while coming back into Houma with the RV. That place is ridiculous with at least 500 vehicles in the parking lot. That place must be a mad house inside. Had a few TV crew trailers set up outside.
Passed by a couple of days after the incident happened and they had cars almost parked on the road... Also on the way home from thib at about 3 am sunday morning they still had all those cars there.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 9:45 am to mpar98
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So, was there ever a disaster plan for a situation like this?
Obviously not. It's a damn shame.
It appears that no one ever had a plan for anything like this, which makes me wonder why we were allowing people to drill that deep in the first place.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 9:53 am to mpar98
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it doesnt appear so if they, still to this day, are trying to decide what to do
Having been a part of pre-job planning, I can state that they plan for just about everything.
Do I think they planned for this exact situation? Of course not. But I bet they planned for each one individually, or paired with one other problem, but not for the shite storm to hit the fan this bad.
Think of it as the "perfect storm" to hit an oil rig. And not to mention that nearly all of the plans they've gone with, haven't worked out because of the severity of the complications.
They didn't just build a $400 million dollar facility, and then start drilling. These projects take months to get approval for, in many different places.
MMS has to approve of your rig move plan, they have to approve of your prog to drill the well, how you're going to drill it. It takes months just to get the ball rolling for permits.
Nobody could have planned for all this. It's impossible. Saying they don't know what they are doing is just regurgitating what the idiots in the media are telling you.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:05 am to Decatur
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It appears that no one ever had a plan for anything like this, which makes me wonder why we were allowing people to drill that deep in the first place.
they weren't drilling that deep, honestly. we have ultra-deepwater stuff ongoing in 8000+ ft. of water with +25,000 ft td wells. this incident had nothing to due with the lack of technology for deepwater.
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Nobody could have planned for all this. It's impossible. Saying they don't know what they are doing is just regurgitating what the idiots in the media are telling you.
+1
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:05 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
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Nobody could have planned for all this. It's impossible. Saying they don't know what they are doing is just regurgitating what the idiots in the media are telling you.
well...I guess it wont be long before the Katrina analogies start
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:23 am to o0 ecdysis 0o
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this incident had nothing to due with the lack of technology for deepwater.
Where's the technology to remedy this massive frick-up?
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Nobody could have planned for all this. It's impossible.
No one ever considered that a BOP would not function as planned?
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:26 am to mpar98
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Nobody could have planned for all this. It's impossible. Saying they don't know what they are doing is just regurgitating what the idiots in the media are telling you.
well...I guess it wont be long before the Katrina analogies start
I don't really get what you're trying to say here.
I'm not going to compare it to Katrina because it has nothing to do with Katrina. That was a hurricane, this was an oil rig that exploded and then started gushing oil.
I have first hand knowledge and experience as to what is planned for, how it's planned for, and what goes on during the pre-planning for jobs offshore. I coordinate with MMS on rig moves, getting procedures approved and executing them.
I know how detailed these progs need to be and stringent MMS is in our executing these progs.
If we put that we're testing the BOP to 5,000 psi, and we test to 4,999, we get INC'ed.
mpar98, I wasn't calling you an idiot in my post. I was referring to the media and how off they are about anything they say about our field.
I just want to stress that this isn't some industry where we blindly go off and frick shite up.
Again, Katrina has nothing to do with it. That's also the media starting a shite storm. All they are good for is making people anxious with their armageddon speak.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:27 am to Decatur
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Where's the technology to remedy this massive frick-up?
my point was that the incident itself had nothing to do with the lack of technology (or so we think). the cleanup and subsequent well remediation definitely does. after this, there will obviously be changes as the impossible is now possible.
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No one ever considered that a BOP would not function as planned?
you make this statement as if we know what happened. until we know what failed, we don't know what wasn't planned for.
This post was edited on 5/10/10 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:33 am to o0 ecdysis 0o
I can't imagine that some people thought this scenario was impossible.
I'm trying to be patient now but it is very hard.
I'm trying to be patient now but it is very hard.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:39 am to Decatur
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I can't imagine that some people thought this scenario was impossible
It's the severity of this scenario that's made the thought of it impossible.
From cementing, to the BOP, 3 different safety devices failing, the sinking of the rig, first no leak, then multiple leaks (streams/gushers..whatever you want to call them), needing a bigger, modified containment dome fabricated, running into crystaling problems with the dome, bad weather...I could go on and on. I've never seen another situation where so much has gone so wrong in such a short time span.
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I can't imagine that some people thought this scenario was impossible
I chose my words poorly there. I should have never used impossible. Inprobable would be a better word.
Every time something goes wrong, we come up with a policy to change it and try to prevent it from happening again. When all the information comes out about exactly what went wrong, and why it went wrong, there will be some very strict, new regulations that we will follow.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:42 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
The fact that the levees busted
dont you think the levees busting in N.O. was inprobable? Thats the only analogy I am making is that in these two situations, you can plan all your life for something, but then something really unforseen happens and blows any planning to hell and back.
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I chose my words poorly there. I should have never used impossible. Inprobable would be a better word.
dont you think the levees busting in N.O. was inprobable? Thats the only analogy I am making is that in these two situations, you can plan all your life for something, but then something really unforseen happens and blows any planning to hell and back.
This post was edited on 5/10/10 at 10:44 am
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:53 am to mpar98
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dont you think the levees busting in N.O. was inprobable?
To be honest, I've never given it much thought. For a hurricane, I figure just about everything is going to get fricked, especially man made structures (levees).
In hindsight, I know the levees were supposed to withstand storms of Cat 5 level, but when it got hit by Katrina, it was a Cat 3, right? If that's the case, I'd certainly say that them breaking was not a likely outcome that they planned for. But I don't know that for sure.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 11:56 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
The answer is YES, they have disaster planning,but not for this maganitude 
Posted on 5/10/10 at 12:05 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
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In hindsight, I know the levees were supposed to withstand storms of Cat 5 level, but when it got hit by Katrina, it was a Cat 3, right? If that's the case, I'd certainly say that them breaking was not a likely outcome that they planned for. But I don't know that for sure.
this paragraph is full of fail
Posted on 5/10/10 at 12:10 pm to bigwheel
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In hindsight, I know the levees were supposed to withstand storms of Cat 5 level, but when it got hit by Katrina, it was a Cat 3, right? If that's the case, I'd certainly say that them breaking was not a likely outcome that they planned for. But I don't know that for sure.
It was known that the levees couldnt withstand a direct hit like Katrina was. The levee bases were much lower below MSL than initally thought and everyone feared they would break or be overtopped if a hurricane came into the lake which unfortunately is what happened. In the case of the Horizon, the bops should have stopped the kick and prevented this well from blowing out, but they didnt. So I dont think these situations are similar in that respect.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 12:23 pm to YatTigah
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this paragraph is full of fail
Care to give a break down, instead of just a blank generic statement?
See, there's a question mark at the end of my sentence, which means I was asking if that was correct. At no point did I say this was fact.
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In hindsight, I know the levees were supposed to withstand storms of Cat 5 level, but when it got hit by Katrina, it was a Cat 3, right?
I then followed it up with, if that's the case:
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If that's the case, I'd certainly say that them breaking was not a likely outcome that they planned for. But I don't know that for sure.
I don't see how it can be full of fail if I'm making a quess about something.
And FTR, I was offshore on a drilling rig up until the day before Katrina hit. I got home and readied my home for a hurricane. I stated more than once that I wasn't talking about Katrina in any post, until I was asked if the levees failing were probable or not.
The reason I made the comment about the levees being able to withstand Cat 5 storm was because of talks that I heard after the breaks, and it was reported that this was accurate. If that number is incorrect, I'm sorry for guessing that was true.
If you're saying that my comment about Katrina being a Cat 3 when making landfall in NO, then you're post is full of fail:
Fact checker
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The storm weakened before making its second landfall as a Category 3 storm on the morning of Monday, August 29 in southeast Louisiana
So I ask again. What exactly failed about this?
Posted on 5/10/10 at 12:41 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
my earlier post came while i was posting from my phone so it was more prickish than i meant it to be. i'll try to keep this short because this isn't a Katrina post and it isn't a Katrina board.
Katrina was a Category 3 storm at her 3rd landfall (which is when it affected the New Orleans metro area) at the LA/MS border when you measure the wind speed. However, she was still pushing a Category 5 storm surge at this time, judging by the insane damage done to the MS Gulf Coast.
however, Katrina was around a Category 1-2 hurricane in the New Orleans Metro Area because it was further away from the point of landfall. the Outfall Canal Floodwalls were supposed to be built to withstand the surge that would be brought by your average Category 3 hurricane but they were built using substandard materials and in many cases were not built to proper specifications. i believe the London Avenue Canal did not even reach a dangerous level of water against the floodwall when it broke.
so basically, those levees shouldn't have failed during Katrina. but even if they had anticipated them breaking, there really wouldn't have been much for them to do other than drop sandbags which is what they did.
again, sorry if i came off as a dick.
Katrina was a Category 3 storm at her 3rd landfall (which is when it affected the New Orleans metro area) at the LA/MS border when you measure the wind speed. However, she was still pushing a Category 5 storm surge at this time, judging by the insane damage done to the MS Gulf Coast.
however, Katrina was around a Category 1-2 hurricane in the New Orleans Metro Area because it was further away from the point of landfall. the Outfall Canal Floodwalls were supposed to be built to withstand the surge that would be brought by your average Category 3 hurricane but they were built using substandard materials and in many cases were not built to proper specifications. i believe the London Avenue Canal did not even reach a dangerous level of water against the floodwall when it broke.
so basically, those levees shouldn't have failed during Katrina. but even if they had anticipated them breaking, there really wouldn't have been much for them to do other than drop sandbags which is what they did.
again, sorry if i came off as a dick.
This post was edited on 5/10/10 at 12:43 pm
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