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Stand by Me (spoilers)
Posted on 3/17/10 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 3/17/10 at 12:41 pm
Watched it last night for the first time in probably 10 years. True greatness. Do you think it would have been better if Chris' death hadn't been revealed in the opening scene of the movie?
My one complaint has always been how hardcore the kids were with the cussing and insanity for 1959 smalltown America. Am I naive or am I right that that's just a Stephen King indulgence?
Also, I wonder why the movie was shifted from Maine to Oregon?
My one complaint has always been how hardcore the kids were with the cussing and insanity for 1959 smalltown America. Am I naive or am I right that that's just a Stephen King indulgence?
Also, I wonder why the movie was shifted from Maine to Oregon?
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Posted on 3/17/10 at 12:54 pm to Tiger JJ
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Do you think it would have been better if Chris' death hadn't been revealed in the opening scene of the movie?
Good question. I don't know if the emotional impact would be any better. Think about the point of the journey (to find a dead body) and the idea that the narrator is writing from a future perspective and death is ahead for his friend as well.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:00 pm to Tiger JJ
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My one complaint has always been how hardcore the kids were with the cussing and insanity for 1959 smalltown America. Am I naive or am I right that that's just a Stephen King indulgence?
Don't you think this is just a demonstration of how that time period was not this picture perfect era that people romanticize it as, or as you always put it, halcyon days of yore?
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:05 pm to Tiger JJ
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the cussing and insanity for 1959 smalltown America. Am I naive
I don't know how much different smalltown America was in 1959 but I was born that year and remember cussing a lot by the third grade (1967). I had already seen quite a few Playboys and smoked a few cigarettes by then too.
The reason I know I had done all of these things by that age is because we moved from that town in Louisiana to another town in Mississippi the summer after the third grade.
I can remember my brothers and I beating up some other kids our age for teaching my younger cousins some cuss words. The younger cousins were only around three and five.
This post was edited on 3/17/10 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:15 pm to Tiger JJ
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Also, I wonder why the movie was shifted from Maine to Oregon?
Was it?
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My one complaint has always been how hardcore the kids were with the cussing and insanity for 1959 smalltown America. Am I naive or am I right that that's just a Stephen King indulgence?
I think you're being a bit naive about this. This type of behavior is nothing new, however, you were seeing how boys acted amongst themselves for the most part... not how they acted in front of their parents or most adults. This, imho, is where we have changed since then.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:28 pm to chinese58
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Don't you think this is just a demonstration of how that time period was not this picture perfect era that people romanticize it as, or as you always put it, halcyon days of yore?
Eh. It always struck me as over the top. I mean, Kiefer Sutherland's character is just outright crazy.
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I had already seen quite a few Playboys and smoked a few cigarettes by then too.
You smoked cigs by age 8?
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:33 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:I did. My brother was 10. We were able to buy them somehow, and we had this place in the woods we would hang out and build forts and stuff and we puff on a few cigs. No inhaling, and it didn't last long. I think after a few months, I didn't really touch them again until I started working offshore after college.
You smoked cigs by age 8?
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:44 pm to Tiger JJ
LINK
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# To keep in character while off-camera, Kiefer Sutherland often picked on Wil Wheaton, River Phoenix, Corey Feldman, and Jerry O'Connell.
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#When they were filming the scene where Gordie and Vern are about to be run over by the train, Wil Wheaton and Jerry O' Connell did not look scared enough; In frustration Rob Reiner yelled at them to the point where they started crying and that's when they were able to film the scene.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:54 pm to Tiger JJ
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You smoked cigs by age 8?
Yes, and chewed Redman. I had two older brothers
We "played with matches" a lot back then too. I set a neighbor's yard on fire to the point of the fire truck coming in the 2nd grade.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:27 pm to Tiger JJ
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(spoilers)
I know you are hard core about this sort of thing, but is this really necessary for a movie that is 24 years old?
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:30 pm to Tiger JJ
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You smoked cigs by age 8?
my dad was smoking regularly by 10
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:37 pm to Tiger JJ
I was really suprised how well the movie follows The Body. One of Gordie's short stories was left out, but overall it's pretty spot on
The kids in stand by me were not supposed to be good kids. They were from more bluecollar famlies, wrong side of the track, etc.
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y one complaint has always been how hardcore the kids were with the cussing and insanity for 1959 smalltown America
The kids in stand by me were not supposed to be good kids. They were from more bluecollar famlies, wrong side of the track, etc.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 3:08 pm to Cash
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I know you are hard core about this sort of thing, but is this really necessary for a movie that is 24 years old?
I never understand the age-of-movie argument against spoilers. There's tons of movies that I have never seen that I know nothing about. A good example is I didn't see No Way Out until about 2 years ago. And I was incredibly happy that I had not been spoiled.
ETA: I watched the movie last night with 2 people who had never seen it and knew nothing about it. Their experience would have been clearly much worse if I had said going in: "Oh, let's watch this one. You'll love it because of the following major plot points and reveals which I am about to enumerate for you in advance of your first-time viewing of the film. You shouldn't mind this because the movie is 24 years old."
This post was edited on 3/17/10 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 3/17/10 at 3:18 pm to Tiger JJ
i saw this thread started by you and figured you would be bashing. kudos
great movie.
and i was running around with my friends at that age cursing like a fool once we got away from our parents. I didnt smoke, but i knew kids that age who did.
great movie.
and i was running around with my friends at that age cursing like a fool once we got away from our parents. I didnt smoke, but i knew kids that age who did.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 3:20 pm to Lester Earl
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i saw this thread started by you and figured you would be bashing. kudos
Right. Hence the following quote from me:
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True greatness
You're a fricking idiot.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:10 pm to Tiger JJ
I think it's a bit naive. Even though I'm only 30, the way I acted when I was 13 in front of my parents was pretty different than how I acted with my friends. Kids will always be kids, which means cursing, trying cigarrettes, Playboy (I saw my first one at age 11).
Either way, it's a fantastic movie on every level. More so becuase the bonding that takes place when you're a boy at age 12 and 13 really is special. Which is why I love the last line of the movie, "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
It truly is a special time period where you're trapped in your own existence. You're trying out new things for the first time, about to go through puberty, yet there is still some of the chidhood innocence in you left.
Maybe it's just me but my summers when I was 12,13, and 14 were literally exactly like this movie (minus a body) and The Sandlot. Great times.
Either way, it's a fantastic movie on every level. More so becuase the bonding that takes place when you're a boy at age 12 and 13 really is special. Which is why I love the last line of the movie, "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
It truly is a special time period where you're trapped in your own existence. You're trying out new things for the first time, about to go through puberty, yet there is still some of the chidhood innocence in you left.
Maybe it's just me but my summers when I was 12,13, and 14 were literally exactly like this movie (minus a body) and The Sandlot. Great times.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:39 pm to SerenityNow
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I think it's a bit naive. Even though I'm only 30, the way I acted when I was 13 in front of my parents was pretty different than how I acted with my friends. Kids will always be kids, which means cursing, trying cigarrettes, Playboy (I saw my first one at age 11).
Either way, it's a fantastic movie on every level. More so becuase the bonding that takes place when you're a boy at age 12 and 13 really is special. Which is why I love the last line of the movie, "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
It truly is a special time period where you're trapped in your own existence. You're trying out new things for the first time, about to go through puberty, yet there is still some of the chidhood innocence in you left.
Maybe it's just me but my summers when I was 12,13, and 14 were literally exactly like this movie (minus a body) and The Sandlot. Great times.
I guess my remarks were more aimed at the older boys now that I think about it. Just 100% total delinquents without an ounce of human kindness.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:44 pm to Tiger JJ
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I guess my remarks were more aimed at the older boys now that I think about it. Just 100% total delinquents without an ounce of human kindness.
What about the "Outsiders"? The Wild Bunch?
Heck.. Oliver Twist?
There has been juvenile delinquents as long as there has been abusive and negligent parents.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:49 pm to coloradoBengal
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What about the "Outsiders"?
Wasn't the Outsiders at least in a pretty big city?
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:04 pm to coloradoBengal
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What about the "Outsiders"? The Wild Bunch?
Heck.. Oliver Twist?
There has been juvenile delinquents as long as there has been abusive and negligent parents.
couple examples:
West Side Story:
"We're depraved on account of we were deprived."
Dead End (1937):
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