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Defective coaching, recruiting or player?
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:06 am
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:06 am
Please explain how National Player of the Year and top rated dual threat QB Russell Shepard has not progressed enough to throw one single pass this year. He graduated early, enrolled early and the coaching staff had him for spring practice, summer work outs and fall practice. That is truly amazing to me. Something is amiss.
Some claim he does not know the playbook. He seems intelligentand committed enough to me. And he doesn't need to know the playbook to throw one fricking pass the whole year.
Similar situation with Keiland Williams. A 225 lb top 5 nationally recruited RB with game breaking speed who seemed to never be fully utilized at LSU. One who set the rushing record at the famous prep school he attended. Some blame him for not running hard, fumbling , etc. But it appeared to me he was an excellent RB who, with proper coaching, should have been a devastating tool in our offensive arsenal. Watch the career improvement of CJ Spiller. Dramatic!
TT, to me until this year, had not been used to the fullest of his abilities. His freshman year he showed glimpses of being a uber talented WR. Then nothing. Again the claim he did not know the playbook.
JL has the arm to be a great QB. It seems his best game was his first game. It seems he has not improved one iota since.
The list goes on and on. Many claim it as the players fault. That they don't know the playbook. That begs the question whether we are recruiting dumb players, which reflects negatively on recruiting evaluations. Or are not properly coaching them up.
Please explain how RS could not be coached to know and throw 1 pass the whole year. It is mind numbing. I believe the rant could come up with one safe pass play for RS. How about the Tebow one step forward run fake pass with TT and/or BL streeking down field. Make it a simple one read, if not open, throw it over their heads and out of bounds. Geeze!!! Reward the kid for what he did for LSU recruiting and how he represented LSU. For his enthusiastic support of this school and team.
Some claim he does not know the playbook. He seems intelligentand committed enough to me. And he doesn't need to know the playbook to throw one fricking pass the whole year.
Similar situation with Keiland Williams. A 225 lb top 5 nationally recruited RB with game breaking speed who seemed to never be fully utilized at LSU. One who set the rushing record at the famous prep school he attended. Some blame him for not running hard, fumbling , etc. But it appeared to me he was an excellent RB who, with proper coaching, should have been a devastating tool in our offensive arsenal. Watch the career improvement of CJ Spiller. Dramatic!
TT, to me until this year, had not been used to the fullest of his abilities. His freshman year he showed glimpses of being a uber talented WR. Then nothing. Again the claim he did not know the playbook.
JL has the arm to be a great QB. It seems his best game was his first game. It seems he has not improved one iota since.
The list goes on and on. Many claim it as the players fault. That they don't know the playbook. That begs the question whether we are recruiting dumb players, which reflects negatively on recruiting evaluations. Or are not properly coaching them up.
Please explain how RS could not be coached to know and throw 1 pass the whole year. It is mind numbing. I believe the rant could come up with one safe pass play for RS. How about the Tebow one step forward run fake pass with TT and/or BL streeking down field. Make it a simple one read, if not open, throw it over their heads and out of bounds. Geeze!!! Reward the kid for what he did for LSU recruiting and how he represented LSU. For his enthusiastic support of this school and team.
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Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:22 am to justustm2
Great post. They are shellshocked from lee.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:30 am to Weaver
Shepard was an early entry as I recall and came to your school in the January class...so he had the spring summer and fall to learn and practice. This is a big question mark for me.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:31 am to justustm2
We didn't hire a QB coach after Jimbo left.
Not a good decision. RS has not gotten the instruction he needs.
Not a good decision. RS has not gotten the instruction he needs.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:36 am to justustm2
Great post and question but afraid it's one that none of us can answer.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:38 am to justustm2
I agree with your post 100%...We have been recruiting fine, we just seem to have trouble developing and coaching these players. Remember Keiland Williams in 2006 with Fisher as OC? I still don't understand why Shepard hasn't thrown a pass all year. We are very predictable with him in the game, which sucks because Shepard is a great player and would have been a star this year with proper coaching.
I don't buy the excuse 'they don't know the playbook'. They may not know it, but If they don't know it, it falls on the coaches to simplify the playbook to get them to understand what they need to do. Crowton tries to do too much on offense.
I don't buy the excuse 'they don't know the playbook'. They may not know it, but If they don't know it, it falls on the coaches to simplify the playbook to get them to understand what they need to do. Crowton tries to do too much on offense.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:50 am to Chimlim
PLAYER DEVELOPMENT is NOT alive and well at LSU.
Has not even been seen in quite a while....
Has not even been seen in quite a while....
Posted on 11/25/09 at 8:48 am to rbdallas
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PLAYER DEVELOPMENT is NOT alive and well at LSU.
This. Look at the current starters and upper classmen on the team. Who has gotten significantly better during their time here? Keiland hasn't. Our OBs have shown no good signs of improving. Our d-linemen are playing badly. Chad Jones seems like the same player he was in 2007. And let's not even talk about our o-line.
To name a few that have improved: Lafell, TT (even though I don't think we have fully tapped his potential), K Sheppard, Riley, and PP.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:30 am to etm512
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We didn't hire a QB coach after Jimbo left.
Not a good decision. RS has not gotten the instruction he needs.
I would even consider using a play or two from his high school playbook just to give him a pass he is comfortable with if I wasn't creative enough to teach him what he needs to know to pass the ball in my system.
RS is one of the great recruiting pickups for LSU of all time. To see what has happened to him does not bode well for other out of state super recruits picking LSU. He was the dream recruit and took it up on himself to promote LSU.
If RS knew what his season and possible future would be at LSU, would he have chosen LSU over Texas again? If the answer is no, then does that explain Seastrunk, Reed and Dyer souring on LSU and looking elsewhere? Both Seastrunk and Dyer at one point highly favored LSU.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:39 am to justustm2
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If RS knew what his season and possible future would be at LSU, would he have chosen LSU over Texas again? If the answer is no, then does that explain Seastrunk, Reed and Dyer souring on LSU and looking elsewhere? Both Seastrunk and Dyer at one point highly favored LSU.
Shep didn't go to Texas because Mack Brown told him up front he was not going to be a QB.
All you guys who claim the coaches can't teach are making fools of yourselves.
Did ya'll coaches help you or hurt you?
Please respond coaching experts!
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:50 am to Bert Lyons 716
I find it hard to believe that RS cannot learn the playbook. He is an intelligent kid. Surely he has had time to learn at least 5 plays in the 11 months he has been at LSU. If not, we don't need him! However, I don't believe those rumors to be true. If he hasn't learned the playbook, it's because he hasn't been given the playbook.
The list of wasted talent is endless. The defense has shown improvement and saved our season. I say keep Chavis and clean house from Miles on down on offensive side. They'll be coaches begging to come here with the talent and facilities that we have. If we are ever going to be a top tier school, we have to develop the mindset of a top tier school and quit wondering who would want to come here to coach. ANY coach with 1/2 a brain would want to come to LSU.
The list of wasted talent is endless. The defense has shown improvement and saved our season. I say keep Chavis and clean house from Miles on down on offensive side. They'll be coaches begging to come here with the talent and facilities that we have. If we are ever going to be a top tier school, we have to develop the mindset of a top tier school and quit wondering who would want to come here to coach. ANY coach with 1/2 a brain would want to come to LSU.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:55 am to Bert Lyons 716
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Shep didn't go to Texas because Mack Brown told him up front he was not going to be a QB.
All you guys who claim the coaches can't teach are making fools of yourselves.
Did ya'll coaches help you or hurt you?
Please respond coaching experts!
Not having thrown a pass all year, what position would you say RS plays at LSU?
Well some of my coaches helped and some didn't. If only I had been taught what I know now I would have been a much better player.
By the way what do you call those who call others fools??? A fool caller?
This post was edited on 11/25/09 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:58 am to justustm2
Crowton
1) hates running the ball
2) doesn't know how to implement the option
3) sucks.
1) hates running the ball
2) doesn't know how to implement the option
3) sucks.
This post was edited on 11/25/09 at 9:59 am
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:59 am to SOL
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We didn't hire a QB coach after Jimbo left.
Both Fisher and Crowton were OC's and QB coach. We didn't have a dedicated QB in addition to the OC.(Which needs to change) Let the WR coach, coach both receivers and tight ends. Eliminate the tight end coach and hire a dedicated QB. This would help JJ, JL, (If he doesn't transfer) RS and CG tremendously. This makes good sense so it probably will not be done........
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:09 am to justustm2
Its all about coaching and the desire to win.The desire to be number one.Miles plays not to lose, but the great coaches plays to win. We have the talent at all the positions to win, but when you hold that same talent back because your afraid to lose then you play in close games and hope to win at the end of them. Thus when you hold players back people start to question if they ever had talent at all.We need a offencive cordinator really bad to use the talent we have, to play for the win.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:14 am to justustm2
Russell Shepard is not a fricking quarterback. When will you tards get this through your thick skulls? Also, you idiots act like some trick pass play from our WR/TB would have been the difference between us being 8-3 and winning the fricking national championship. Get real.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:55 am to Hot Carl
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Russell Shepard is not a fricking quarterback.
What is he listed as on LSU's roster? Seems like you are the tard son.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:58 am to justustm2
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Also, you idiots act like some trick pass play from our WR/TB would have been the difference between us being 8-3 and winning the fricking national championship. Get real.
You miss the point genius. Its not about a trick pass play, its about developing players and calling plays that best utilize players' talents.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:58 am to Hot Carl
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some trick pass play from our WR/TB would have been the difference between us being 8-3 and winning the fricking national championship
We'll never know now, will we? Could have been a game changer in the UF game? Maybe? Point is - we didn't even frickin' try!!!!
Posted on 11/25/09 at 11:00 am to Hot Carl
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Russell Shepard is not a fricking quarterback
Link? I seem to remember RP not being allowed to throw passes until Flynn got hurt either and he seemed like a damn good QB.
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