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In defense of Pam and Jim...
Posted on 10/8/09 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 10/8/09 at 3:55 pm
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Posted on 10/8/09 at 4:04 pm to LSUGradAtLast
I agree with much of what was said, but it is not the actual wedding but the writing that is hurting the show.
They have turned Jim from a prankster to a responsible dad. This is what has hurt the show, not a lack of sexual tension.
I thought Jim and Pam were a cute couple, but it was their hijinks that were fun to watch.
I think the main failure was the decision to have Pam pregnant. Now Jim has to grow up. Now he has to stop being a prankster and he has to actually worry about paper sales.
Look at it this way. If Jim and Pam were not a couple, but he was still turning into Mr. Responsible, the show would still be dull.
They have turned Jim from a prankster to a responsible dad. This is what has hurt the show, not a lack of sexual tension.
I thought Jim and Pam were a cute couple, but it was their hijinks that were fun to watch.
I think the main failure was the decision to have Pam pregnant. Now Jim has to grow up. Now he has to stop being a prankster and he has to actually worry about paper sales.
Look at it this way. If Jim and Pam were not a couple, but he was still turning into Mr. Responsible, the show would still be dull.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 4:05 pm to TigerMyth36
I agree, but people are lazy and just point to them getting together as the reason for the show declining.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 4:14 pm to LSUGradAtLast
There was a post last week about babies being the death knell for a tv show. People say that all the time. I listed some examples, but in the end none of them were good shows when the baby arrived.
Mad about you was the only one I could really point to the baby, but even that show went downhill the season before.
Everyone was agreeing that babies killed shows, but when I asked people to name examples of shows with babies that killed the show, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON gave an example.
First off, The Office is not a sexy high heat show. It is a comedy. It is not like the average Joe watches the show for the Pam Jim romance. Maybe a few of the ladies swoon a bit here and there, but not many. It is a comedy. So the sexual tension will not be missed.
The main difference from the article you listed is that the characters in the shows mentioned broke up. Sam and Dianne & Dave and Lisa broke up. That changed the whole dynamic.
I don't see Pam and Jim breaking up at this point.
My main beef has more to do with the job promotion and the baby. They force Jim to be less fun and more Mr. Responsible.
Maybe in years to come people will talk about the baby that killed The Office.
Mad about you was the only one I could really point to the baby, but even that show went downhill the season before.
Everyone was agreeing that babies killed shows, but when I asked people to name examples of shows with babies that killed the show, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON gave an example.
First off, The Office is not a sexy high heat show. It is a comedy. It is not like the average Joe watches the show for the Pam Jim romance. Maybe a few of the ladies swoon a bit here and there, but not many. It is a comedy. So the sexual tension will not be missed.
The main difference from the article you listed is that the characters in the shows mentioned broke up. Sam and Dianne & Dave and Lisa broke up. That changed the whole dynamic.
I don't see Pam and Jim breaking up at this point.
My main beef has more to do with the job promotion and the baby. They force Jim to be less fun and more Mr. Responsible.
Maybe in years to come people will talk about the baby that killed The Office.
This post was edited on 10/8/09 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 10/8/09 at 10:17 pm to TigerMyth36
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Maybe in years to come people will talk about the baby that killed The Office.
The office hasn't been funny since Jim became responsible. It won't be the baby that killed The Office. As you said, they are already killing the Office by having Jim grow up.
They need to promote Michael to corporate and let Jim run the office for about 3 or 4 shows. Then, push both of them back down to their former positions and get the show back to the "old format."
At that point, Jim won't have to try to impress because he's already "failed" at being a boss. They also need to ditch the receptionist and move Pam back to that role.
The Office began ruining itself when it began creating long lasting story lines instead of going with the generic story lines that could change from week to week with no rhyme or reason.
Community has already replaced The Office as the funniest show on NBC.
Posted on 10/8/09 at 10:23 pm to hashtag
Wow, I couldn't disagree with this thread more.
First of all, if you use the phrase "jumpe the shark," then you should shoot yourself (that's not necessarily to this thread, just in general).
Pointing to babies killing tv shows is simply laughable. What kills shows is that they just aren't popular forever. People on the shows hooking up, getting married, or having babies is not what kills shows and creates less interest...time is. Characters getting together or having kids is just a natural progression of life, so of course it's eventually gonna make its way into storylines on most shows. It just so happens that it usually happens when the show is on the decline.
Almost every "most popular ever" show has had its decline. It's just because people's tastes change, and the show/characters eventually get old/stale.
Tonight's Office was one of the best in a long time. That shows right there that it can still be solid despite JIm and Pam getting married or being pregnant.
This thread is hilarious.
First of all, if you use the phrase "jumpe the shark," then you should shoot yourself (that's not necessarily to this thread, just in general).
Pointing to babies killing tv shows is simply laughable. What kills shows is that they just aren't popular forever. People on the shows hooking up, getting married, or having babies is not what kills shows and creates less interest...time is. Characters getting together or having kids is just a natural progression of life, so of course it's eventually gonna make its way into storylines on most shows. It just so happens that it usually happens when the show is on the decline.
Almost every "most popular ever" show has had its decline. It's just because people's tastes change, and the show/characters eventually get old/stale.
Tonight's Office was one of the best in a long time. That shows right there that it can still be solid despite JIm and Pam getting married or being pregnant.
This thread is hilarious.
This post was edited on 10/8/09 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 10/8/09 at 10:28 pm to CocomoLSU
Totally agree with you cocomo
Posted on 10/9/09 at 9:01 am to CocomoLSU
Oh God... I agree with cocomo. Where's the gun?
Posted on 10/9/09 at 10:22 am to CocomoLSU
quote:
"jumpe the shark,"
Is Jumpe a Spanish shark?
This post was edited on 10/9/09 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/9/09 at 10:54 am to CocomoLSU
Cocomo, I agree with your post, but I think that this wedding special demanded a lot of attention from the writers. I wouldn't be surprised if this was their highest rated episode of all time, so the writers definitely put in a lot more effort for this week's show than usual, and that would definitely have an impact on how funny the show was last night.
However, I like how the show lets the characters evolve. To me, that's much funnier than seeing the same kinds of bits over and over again. That made Seinfeld kind of boring for me, even when I was in middle school. In the Office, some of the characters change, and that freshens up the show.
Of course, David Wallace, Creed, Meredith, Kelly, and the Nard Dog stay the same, but others have changed a lot over the past couple of years. I loved watching Ryan go from a nondescript guy to a douchey executive, and now a recovering cokehead living at home with his mom. Similarly, I think it was hilarious to watch Stanley be so happy with his new mistress/girlfriend at the wedding. Jim is not as funny now as he was 2-3 seasons ago, but that allows other guys to pick up the slack (Andy, Ryan, Kevin, etc), while the writers develop an actual story around Jim and Pam.
FWIW, I think that the most stale character for the past couple of seasons has been Angela. Her character has just become an excuse to lob potshots at everything she stands for, and I don't think I've found a single scene of hers amusing since the whole Dwight and Andy debacle.
However, I like how the show lets the characters evolve. To me, that's much funnier than seeing the same kinds of bits over and over again. That made Seinfeld kind of boring for me, even when I was in middle school. In the Office, some of the characters change, and that freshens up the show.
Of course, David Wallace, Creed, Meredith, Kelly, and the Nard Dog stay the same, but others have changed a lot over the past couple of years. I loved watching Ryan go from a nondescript guy to a douchey executive, and now a recovering cokehead living at home with his mom. Similarly, I think it was hilarious to watch Stanley be so happy with his new mistress/girlfriend at the wedding. Jim is not as funny now as he was 2-3 seasons ago, but that allows other guys to pick up the slack (Andy, Ryan, Kevin, etc), while the writers develop an actual story around Jim and Pam.
FWIW, I think that the most stale character for the past couple of seasons has been Angela. Her character has just become an excuse to lob potshots at everything she stands for, and I don't think I've found a single scene of hers amusing since the whole Dwight and Andy debacle.
Posted on 10/9/09 at 10:57 am to TigerMyth36
quote:which is what should happen.
They have turned Jim from a prankster to a responsible dad.
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