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Will St. Augustine grass plugs overtake Bermuda?

Posted on 11/7/15 at 6:01 am
Posted by Antpile Tea Bagger
Lousiana
Member since Oct 2015
729 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 6:01 am
New construction home, we planted Bermuda seeds in our muddy yard just to get some grass going asap. It took very well; however, we would love to have a st Augustine yard.

I have since planted several St Augustine plugs into the yard about 6 feet apart in the hopes that it'll eventually overtake the entire yard.
Anyone have experience with this?
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32562 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 6:04 am to
No clue on an answer to your question, but just curious: what's your preference to St. Aug over Bermuda?
I ask because after killing the nut sedge in my back yard I have both taking over. The Bermuda is spreading and I kind of like it.
Posted by Antpile Tea Bagger
Lousiana
Member since Oct 2015
729 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 6:08 am to
I just always liked st aug grass.

The Bermuda tends to die real easy when it isn't watered and their is a period of no rain. We had several sections go brown this summer
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32562 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 6:20 am to
Ah, got you. Well, now I am interested in the answer. Also, if anyone knows how to kill off Bermuda and keep the st. Aug, advice would be appreciated.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21449 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 6:26 am to
Yep, it will take approximately forever in my experience. Water very well. In cutting season, cut very high. Fertilize well also/
Posted by Voorhies7
Rounding 3rd
Member since Oct 2012
5591 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 6:29 am to
It will if you-
Keep it watered
Don't allow Bermuda to seed head
Don't cut St Aug to short
Cut it a couple times a week in peak growing season
Transplant some St Aug to the heavy Bermuda areas
Posted by Easternrio
Member since May 2014
3755 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 7:25 am to
You will always have a mix. U can never truly get rid of bermuda without killing st Aug
Posted by Bucktail1
Member since Feb 2015
3191 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 7:43 am to
Bermuda will drown out the st augustine, you need to kill it. There is a spray, but I can't remember the name off hand, that will kill only Bermuda grass. I have a large patch of Bermuda in my yard that I Ned to spray, but the guy at Plant Tech told me to wait until spring to spray.
Posted by FISH N TIGER
South Louisiana
Member since Jun 2007
1165 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 8:23 am to
Just watch it to make sure the bermuda doesn't get too thick around the St.Aug and allow the St Aug to grow tall as it wants and seed itself and make runners,do not cut it. This time of the year i would not worry too much, it will get cold soon and the Bermuda will die back, and u need the bermuda there now to hold the soil in place.This spring i would buy some sod, it will take much better,don't go the cheap route it will just piss you off in the end
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
19325 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 8:42 am to
I have a mix in my yard and like it, we are in North Texas though. They both burn up out here due to watering restrictions in the summer.
Posted by Tail Dragger
Member since Aug 2012
344 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 8:54 am to
quote:

Bermuda will drown out the st augustine, you need to kill it.


That is a false statement. Keep it watered and don't cut it real short and the st aug will take over
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42571 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 9:06 am to
It is not that expensive to buy the sod and lay it yourself. Maybe a grand depending on the size of yard.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6290 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 2:08 pm to
Yes it will. I had an area I did some construction in about 6 years ago and planted Bermuda to get something growing. The st wig took a few years to fully cover it and eventually took over. There was no evidence of Bermuda. Last winter I did another project and it caused that area to get muddy again. I was just going to let it do its thing but Bermuda from 6 years ago came through.
Posted by JoePepitone
Waffle House #1494
Member since Feb 2014
10587 posts
Posted on 11/7/15 at 3:54 pm to
A lot of factors come into play.

Which variety of each grass type?
How much sun/shade.
How much moisture does your yard get?
What is the soil type?
How tall do you allow the grass to grow before mowing?
etc, etc...

I have patches of centipede, st aug and Bermuda in my yard. Would prefer the centipede but following years of attempts to engineer the turf I've decided to step back and allow each variety to occupy the spaces it likes.
Posted by Tigris
Mexican Home
Member since Jul 2005
12364 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:18 am to
quote:

You will always have a mix.


This. I had Bermuda which wasn't doing well because of poor soil and too much shade. So I used Roundup in the Bermuda twice, put down 2 inches of topsoil, and St. Augustine sod. The facking Bermuda came back from the dead and about half my lawn is a Bermuda/St. Augustine mix. The shadiest half is purely St. Augustine, the rest is about 75% St. Augustine but there is no getting rid of the Bermuda. It's been like this for 7 years.
Posted by texag06
Member since Nov 2015
4 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:10 pm to
Had to chime in - Ive been a golf course supt for almost ten years. Since my Aggies sucked this weekend I might as well talk about something...Don't know everything but here is a couple of facts:

- no spray will kill only bermuda in a st.augustine mix.
- "plugging" any grass at six foot intervals will take forever to spread even if the plugged grass is somewhat better suited
- bermudagrass is extremely difficult to completely remove. The best herbicide combination that I have seen is repeated applications of roundup combined with fusillade sprayed at the appropriate rates, intervals, and time of year. Even after all this bermuda can either come back or be tracked back in. Soil sterilants and fumigants are more effective, but difficult, expensive, and many times unavailable to apply. Both of the above are non selective and will kill everything in the application area. See this article from some other SEC schools for more info

LINK

-in my opinion the only way you will not have a mix is if the area has a ton of shade. St.augustine does much better in the shade and thus will be the more aggressive plant in that situation. Too much shade and neither will grow.
- watering and higher mowing height will favor st. Augustine in most situations. Too much water in spring and fall and st Augustine more susceptible to disease such as brown patch.
- drier conditions and lower mowing height will favor the bermuda in most situations.

I have mix in my un-irrigated yard. With all the droughts bermuda has taken over in a lot of spots. I like bermuda better as it is more tolerant of herbicides, has better drought hardiness, and is more disease resistant in my climate.

Just my two cents.....
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 8:00 am
Posted by Antpile Tea Bagger
Lousiana
Member since Oct 2015
729 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:59 pm to
Thanks for everyone's help.

So this is a picture of how the side of the house and most of the front yard looks.
(We played fist sized plugs of st aug when we first planted the Bermuda this summer and it seems like these are spreading)
Posted by Antpile Tea Bagger
Lousiana
Member since Oct 2015
729 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:06 pm to


Here's the front yard. Bermuda kinda turning brown when I cut it shorter.

(I let it get too long now I have bails of hay )
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38743 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:07 pm to
Your's is going, but it takes a while. My yard looks very similar and I put 32 pieces of sod checkered in it 2 springs ago.

The other route is just to kill it all, till it and lay a carpet of st. aug sod.
Posted by Antpile Tea Bagger
Lousiana
Member since Oct 2015
729 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 6:51 am to
Considering I only put fist sized plugs staggered, it seems to be spreading well.
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