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What is the law on shotguns?
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:39 am
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:39 am
Can it have a sliding stock and a pistol grip?
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:42 am to Broke
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Can it have a sliding stock and a pistol grip?
Depends on the state. You also have SBS limitations, but there is no specific national or Louisiana prohibition on those features.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:50 am to Ace Midnight
Louisiana. I didn't think it could have a sliding stock.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:53 am to Broke
If the barrel length is shorter than 18.5" with a Stock it's a SBS($200 stamp). If it is less than 18.5" and has a pistol grip and it is considered an AOW($5 stamp). Either way it is an NFA shotgun if the barrel length is shorter than 18.5". Barrel length is the key with a shotgun.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 9:59 am
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:03 am to lsufan1971
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Barrel length is the key with a shotgun.
It is (because it is 2" longer than the rifle barrel requirement of the NFA), but I think they have an overall length requirement, too. I want to say 28" - just not as up on those as I think I am for SBRs.
ETA: Nope - I'm wrong. BBL is 18" for shotgun (vice 16" for rifle), but overall length restriction is the same 26".
Right from the ATF
EFTA: The overall length considers the fully extended length of a collapsible stock. If you have a "cruiser" style "shotgun" with a pistol grip only and no stock at all, then it is not designed to be shouldered and isn't a "shotgun" at all according to the ATF, it is an AOW.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 10:08 am
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:13 am to Broke
While we're on this subject, I don't recommend "collapsible" stocks for shotguns, unless you have a very precise, objective need for one. For that matter, I don't recommend a pistol grip, either.
IMHO, shotguns are better employed with a traditional straight stock (95% of the time), or a folding (but otherwise rigid) stock for those times where compactness is an overriding concern. There are significant recoil demands in operating a shotgun that favor a more traditional approach is my reasoning here. I think a collapsible M4-style stock is adding a unneeded complexity that will not offer the minimum necessary recoil management for most tactical and sporting applications of the platform.
IMHO, shotguns are better employed with a traditional straight stock (95% of the time), or a folding (but otherwise rigid) stock for those times where compactness is an overriding concern. There are significant recoil demands in operating a shotgun that favor a more traditional approach is my reasoning here. I think a collapsible M4-style stock is adding a unneeded complexity that will not offer the minimum necessary recoil management for most tactical and sporting applications of the platform.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:40 am to Broke
But then there's this:
Black Aces has found another ATF loophole. Classified as a "firearm", so it's legal.
Not a shotgun - it's a firearm.....
https://www.blackacestactical.com/
Black Aces has found another ATF loophole. Classified as a "firearm", so it's legal.
Not a shotgun - it's a firearm.....
https://www.blackacestactical.com/
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The DT Model exists in a legal bubble – it’s simply a “firearm” according to the ATF. It starts its life as a virgin billet machined receiver and is sold as shown: with an 8.5-inch barrel, SIG SB15 arm brace, Magpul RVG forward grip, 10-round BAT box magazine and optional folding brace extension. The receiver extension brings the overall length up to 27 inches long, critical to its classification as a firearm.
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The DT is not a SBS (short-barreled shotgun) nor is it an AOW (any other weapon).
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Built around the Black Aces Tactical hybrid pump action billet receiver, the DT is a purpose built scattergun. The gun feeds from Saiga 12 magazines and drums, making its capacity whatever you want it to be. 3 round sticks for hunting, 20 round drums for range fun. It only fires 2 ¾ shells, so you high power 3 ½ or 3 inch magnum guys are out of luck. Birdshot, buckshot, slugs, flares, less than lethal–the DT will eat them all up with out a second thought. The DT is built like a brick shite house, so you can expect this gun to function reliably for a lifetime. The biggest part of the DT’s design is its short overall length. It is built to meet a minimum length requirement of 26 inches for a PGO (pistol grip only shotgun), technically it is considered a firearm by the ATF.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:44 am to Shexter
Are we going to have a new OB meme?
"DT to the FACE."
"DT to the FACE."
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:48 am to Shexter
I see they have a letter but I would suspect the loophole is going to be closed quickly.
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The pistol stabilizing brace was neither “designed” nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a “redesign” of the device because a possessor has changed the very function of the item. Any individual letters stating otherwise are contrary to the plain language of the NFA, misapply Federal law, and are hereby revoked. Any person who intends to use a handgun stabilizing brace as a shoulder stock on a pistol (having a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length or a smooth bore firearm with a barrel under 18 inches in length) must first file an ATF Form 1 and pay the applicable tax because the resulting firearm will be subject to all provisions of the NFA
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 10:51 am
Posted on 4/25/16 at 12:04 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:This.^^^
While we're on this subject, I don't recommend "collapsible" stocks for shotguns, unless you have a very precise, objective need for one. For that matter, I don't recommend a pistol grip, either.
IMHO, shotguns are better employed with a traditional straight stock (95% of the time), or a folding (but otherwise rigid) stock for those times where compactness is an overriding concern. There are significant recoil demands in operating a shotgun that favor a more traditional approach is my reasoning here. I think a collapsible M4-style stock is adding a unneeded complexity that will not offer the minimum necessary recoil management for most tactical and sporting applications of the platform.
Plus, most people have a lot more repetitions with traditional hunting/target shotguns. Mounting the gun, and getting your dominant eye aligned with the rib, is more instinctive and quicker for me with a "conventional" (non-pistol grip) stock.
Just my $.02 worth
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:28 pm to Broke
I have one of these that I got from Cabelas in Gonzales. Great gun and so far its rust free
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 4/25/16 at 3:53 pm to shawnlsu
Posted on 4/25/16 at 4:06 pm to lsufan1971
You can put a pistol grip on a shotgun as long as the barrel is 18.5" or larger. Mossberg sold those from the factory. Even sold some with the water tight tube.
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