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Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:05 pm to weagle99
If something happens and I'm ever put in that situation, it'll probably be in New Orleans. My first move is to GTFO of New Orleans. Then I will proceed with regular protocol
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:17 pm to headboard banger
quote:
Thinking bout getting one, just want to make sure I do it right.
Tips:
Remember the mnemonic CANT....."carry always, never tell." Be careful even telling your wife/SO as she might tell someone about your cc when you'd just as soon it NOT be public knowledge.
Your entire approach to the safety of you and your loved ones will change in that you'll be a LOT more conscious of safety than you were before.
Learn to AVOID potentially suspicious situations/environments. For example, there'll be some gas stations in certain areas of town you'll want to avoid, especially at night.
Learn how to hug to avoid being busted. I carry on the right hand side so I've had to learn to hug w/ my right arm going UNDER instead of the natural over position.
As someone else mentioned, be aware, and have access to non-lethal means of SD.
Decide ahead of time how you're going to respond to seeing a "No CC" sign on a store/business you're about to go in to . There may be some places you decide to cc in even if it's posted against doing so.
Learn what kind of clothing works for you and cc and what doesn't.
quote:No.
ever had a problem while carrying?
Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:04 pm to AUtigR24
There has been some good advice here but I don't agree with this one (refer to my rebuttal at #3):
Before I discuss more in depth, I do agree with others here - have a lawyer handy, and ask yourself if you're willing to end another human life. When fighting for your life there are three battles:
1. The gun fight
2. The psychological battle
3. The legal battle (both criminal and civil)
Most people begin to carry in a reactionary manner. I see it all the time - a mass shooting happens close to home (Lafayette most recently) and people vow to start carrying a gun.
What they fail to realize is that this risk always exists. I simply chose to start carrying in a preventative manner - I wanted to carry from the start rather than waiting for something bad to happen to me and have reality slap me in the face.
Concealed carry is a lifestyle. If you actually want to carry, I advise you carry very often. If you start to become selective ("I'll carry when I go to NOLA", "I'll carry only at movie theaters") you will eventually not carry at all. And even if you do stick to your word about selectively carrying, you have not developed the confidence and awareness that carrying on a consistent basis teaches you. If you are truly serious about it you have to commit yourself to it.
If you simply want a permit to have some of the car carrying perks when crossing state lines, I still think a concealed carry class is valuable in that it teaches you a lot of important information about lethal force laws. But if you claim you're going to carry, then carry most of the time to get your confidence up and to maximize your personal security. You spent the money on a permit - now put it to use!
If you start carrying:
1. You will think every single person you see knows you have a gun on you. You should carry deep and blend in but you will find out that most people are completely oblivious.
2. If you are nervous about carrying with a round chambered, carry with your gun in condition 2 (full mag, empty chamber) for only a week. Check your gun every evening to see if the trigger pulled itself. As you notice it's safe, you will slowly build enough confidence to carry chambered. Carrying condition 0 (loaded chamber, no safety) is the most effective method and should be your ultimate goal.
3. If you personally feel more comfortable carrying a gun with a manual safety that's fine. But if you do, you must use it EVERY SINGLE TIME you practice with that gun. It has to be trained into muscle memory. When you're fighting for your life with your gun, you will not be thinking, only reacting. And you will react how you train.
Any quality holster covers the trigger entirely and prevents the trigger being pulled. Rifles and shotguns require safeties since their triggers are always exposed. It's not as important with a holstered handgun.
4. If you carry regularly, I highly advise you take a defensive handgun course. The NRA basic pistol course or initial concealed handgun course is NOT a defensive handgun course. A true defensive course consists of high round counts (500 or more rounds), multiple shooting positions, threat assessment, trigger manipulation, sight alignment, etc. If you think a concealed carry course makes you a good shooter, you are delusional. It is NOT a shooting course - it is mostly a legal course about self defense law.
5. I advise you get night sights or a weapon light on your gun for low light situations. You may only be point-shooting and not even use them but they are still a reference point that your eyes may use. That reminds me...
6. Learn to point shoot at close range. Most defensive engagements are very close and learning to instinctively shoot is extremely important. You'll notice that your sights are barely relevant up close - if they are in the vicinity of your target, you should make an effective hit.
7. I have to reiterate how important it is to get REAL training. Take a defensive handgun course.
8. Do not change who you are when you carry - unless you are aggressive and provoke people. Learn to deescalate situations and avoid them if you can. The best way to win a gun fight is to not even have one.
9. There is no Good Samaritan law in Louisiana that requires you to get involved in something you weren't initially involved in. As others have mentioned, you are not the police and do not have nearly as much insurance behind your decisions.
10. I usually advise people to carry a gun chambered in 9mm. 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP all pretty much do the same thing - one is light and fast, one is heavy and slow, and the other splits the difference. I carry 9mm because I get the highest number of rounds in my magazine as I can. The larger the caliber, the smaller your magazine capacity.
11. DO NOT carry target ammunition in your carry gun. You run a greater risk of hurting bystanders by doing so. Carry defensive hollow point ammunition - it is much more effective for its intended purpose.
12. When carrying in other states that respect Louisiana permits (aka reciprocity) you must follow THAT state's lethal force and carry laws. It is not up to that state to adhere to Louisiana law - it's your responsibility to do your research. It is also your responsibility to know where you can't carry in other states. A good resource on laws by state is handgunlaw.us but it is not the end-all, be-all. Do your research - it is your responsibility.
13. I go more in depth into some of these topics on my YouTube channel. Refer to it if you need more elaboration: https://www.youtube.com/user/bigapple0828/videos.
Message to OB: Sorry for length. Bookmarking for later use.
quote:
I would recommend getting a CC with a thumb safety. Learn to CC with it. Keep it if you like or later on get CC with no safety when you're ready.
Before I discuss more in depth, I do agree with others here - have a lawyer handy, and ask yourself if you're willing to end another human life. When fighting for your life there are three battles:
1. The gun fight
2. The psychological battle
3. The legal battle (both criminal and civil)
Most people begin to carry in a reactionary manner. I see it all the time - a mass shooting happens close to home (Lafayette most recently) and people vow to start carrying a gun.
What they fail to realize is that this risk always exists. I simply chose to start carrying in a preventative manner - I wanted to carry from the start rather than waiting for something bad to happen to me and have reality slap me in the face.
Concealed carry is a lifestyle. If you actually want to carry, I advise you carry very often. If you start to become selective ("I'll carry when I go to NOLA", "I'll carry only at movie theaters") you will eventually not carry at all. And even if you do stick to your word about selectively carrying, you have not developed the confidence and awareness that carrying on a consistent basis teaches you. If you are truly serious about it you have to commit yourself to it.
If you simply want a permit to have some of the car carrying perks when crossing state lines, I still think a concealed carry class is valuable in that it teaches you a lot of important information about lethal force laws. But if you claim you're going to carry, then carry most of the time to get your confidence up and to maximize your personal security. You spent the money on a permit - now put it to use!
If you start carrying:
1. You will think every single person you see knows you have a gun on you. You should carry deep and blend in but you will find out that most people are completely oblivious.
2. If you are nervous about carrying with a round chambered, carry with your gun in condition 2 (full mag, empty chamber) for only a week. Check your gun every evening to see if the trigger pulled itself. As you notice it's safe, you will slowly build enough confidence to carry chambered. Carrying condition 0 (loaded chamber, no safety) is the most effective method and should be your ultimate goal.
3. If you personally feel more comfortable carrying a gun with a manual safety that's fine. But if you do, you must use it EVERY SINGLE TIME you practice with that gun. It has to be trained into muscle memory. When you're fighting for your life with your gun, you will not be thinking, only reacting. And you will react how you train.
Any quality holster covers the trigger entirely and prevents the trigger being pulled. Rifles and shotguns require safeties since their triggers are always exposed. It's not as important with a holstered handgun.
4. If you carry regularly, I highly advise you take a defensive handgun course. The NRA basic pistol course or initial concealed handgun course is NOT a defensive handgun course. A true defensive course consists of high round counts (500 or more rounds), multiple shooting positions, threat assessment, trigger manipulation, sight alignment, etc. If you think a concealed carry course makes you a good shooter, you are delusional. It is NOT a shooting course - it is mostly a legal course about self defense law.
5. I advise you get night sights or a weapon light on your gun for low light situations. You may only be point-shooting and not even use them but they are still a reference point that your eyes may use. That reminds me...
6. Learn to point shoot at close range. Most defensive engagements are very close and learning to instinctively shoot is extremely important. You'll notice that your sights are barely relevant up close - if they are in the vicinity of your target, you should make an effective hit.
7. I have to reiterate how important it is to get REAL training. Take a defensive handgun course.
8. Do not change who you are when you carry - unless you are aggressive and provoke people. Learn to deescalate situations and avoid them if you can. The best way to win a gun fight is to not even have one.
9. There is no Good Samaritan law in Louisiana that requires you to get involved in something you weren't initially involved in. As others have mentioned, you are not the police and do not have nearly as much insurance behind your decisions.
10. I usually advise people to carry a gun chambered in 9mm. 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP all pretty much do the same thing - one is light and fast, one is heavy and slow, and the other splits the difference. I carry 9mm because I get the highest number of rounds in my magazine as I can. The larger the caliber, the smaller your magazine capacity.
11. DO NOT carry target ammunition in your carry gun. You run a greater risk of hurting bystanders by doing so. Carry defensive hollow point ammunition - it is much more effective for its intended purpose.
12. When carrying in other states that respect Louisiana permits (aka reciprocity) you must follow THAT state's lethal force and carry laws. It is not up to that state to adhere to Louisiana law - it's your responsibility to do your research. It is also your responsibility to know where you can't carry in other states. A good resource on laws by state is handgunlaw.us but it is not the end-all, be-all. Do your research - it is your responsibility.
13. I go more in depth into some of these topics on my YouTube channel. Refer to it if you need more elaboration: https://www.youtube.com/user/bigapple0828/videos.
Message to OB: Sorry for length. Bookmarking for later use.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 6:43 am
Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:29 pm to bapple
I agree with everything except carry in condition 3. Treat every gun as loaded. I would rather have a sister in a whorehouse than an empty chamber in a gunfight.
Oh and night sights are a rip off. There are three components to positive identification
One that you have an actual target
Two the target is a threat
Three your background if you miss or the bullet transverses the body.
Take the nightsight money and buy a 65+ lume flashlight and carry that as well. If you have it you can always use it or explain why you didn't. If you don't have it then you don't have that option.
Psychological battles are bullshite. If you have to psychologically battle yourself you will hesitate. If you want to see what losing a gunfight looks like go look at some autopsy photos. Being that guy sucks so that covers the psychological battle.
When the police get there tell them you feared for your life and you want an attorney. Join the NRA and buy the concealed carry Insurance.
You're set
Oh and night sights are a rip off. There are three components to positive identification
One that you have an actual target
Two the target is a threat
Three your background if you miss or the bullet transverses the body.
Take the nightsight money and buy a 65+ lume flashlight and carry that as well. If you have it you can always use it or explain why you didn't. If you don't have it then you don't have that option.
Psychological battles are bullshite. If you have to psychologically battle yourself you will hesitate. If you want to see what losing a gunfight looks like go look at some autopsy photos. Being that guy sucks so that covers the psychological battle.
When the police get there tell them you feared for your life and you want an attorney. Join the NRA and buy the concealed carry Insurance.
You're set
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 8/31/15 at 11:23 pm to headboard banger
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:53 am to Five0
As usual, Bapple gives some very good advice. Here's my 2 cents:
1) get additional training beyond CCW license requirements. Knowing how to shoot a pistol is not the same as knowing how to fight with a pistol
2) Always carry everywhere you legally can. You never know when the situation will come up that you will need it. It is a lifestyle. Do you only carry a spare tire in your car when you think you will have a flat?
3)Learn situational awareness. Learn to observe everything around you so you have a better chance to avoid a bad situation.
4)Understand that there are some very evil people in this world who will think nothing about taking your life or your family's life - hence why we carry
5) Understand that you are not the police and do not have a moral obligation to act as one. Your weapon is only licensed to protect yourself, or persons in your immediate group from serious harm or death. You are not James Bond - you do not have a license to kill.
6) mentioned several times - by all means get a lawyer ahead of time. Also think about getting insurance.
7) do not be apprehensive about carrying because "everyone will know you carry". I have carried for about 12 years now and have never been "busted" or at least no one has ever mentioned it.
8) Decide how you are going to carry before you decide what pistol you want to carry. IWB, OWB, Pocket carry, purse carry, etc. that will largely guide what type of weapon you choose.
9) If you haven't already , join the NRA. They are the main group that fights for our 2nd amendment freedom and largely responsible for the right to carry in most of the U.S.
10) concealed carry is for both sexes - men and women.
Those are just a few of my initial thoughts.
1) get additional training beyond CCW license requirements. Knowing how to shoot a pistol is not the same as knowing how to fight with a pistol
2) Always carry everywhere you legally can. You never know when the situation will come up that you will need it. It is a lifestyle. Do you only carry a spare tire in your car when you think you will have a flat?
3)Learn situational awareness. Learn to observe everything around you so you have a better chance to avoid a bad situation.
4)Understand that there are some very evil people in this world who will think nothing about taking your life or your family's life - hence why we carry
5) Understand that you are not the police and do not have a moral obligation to act as one. Your weapon is only licensed to protect yourself, or persons in your immediate group from serious harm or death. You are not James Bond - you do not have a license to kill.
6) mentioned several times - by all means get a lawyer ahead of time. Also think about getting insurance.
7) do not be apprehensive about carrying because "everyone will know you carry". I have carried for about 12 years now and have never been "busted" or at least no one has ever mentioned it.
8) Decide how you are going to carry before you decide what pistol you want to carry. IWB, OWB, Pocket carry, purse carry, etc. that will largely guide what type of weapon you choose.
9) If you haven't already , join the NRA. They are the main group that fights for our 2nd amendment freedom and largely responsible for the right to carry in most of the U.S.
10) concealed carry is for both sexes - men and women.
Those are just a few of my initial thoughts.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 6:21 am to Bulletproof Lover
quote:
I agree with everything except carry in condition 3. Treat every gun as loaded.
Notice I suggested carrying condition 3 for only a week to build confidence.
I carried condition 0 (chamber loaded, no safety) from the very beginning but I have been around firearms my whole life. If someone is not all that confident, he or she may be nervous about having the gun on them loaded. Hence, the suggestion to only do it for a week. Yea, you run the risk of encountering a threat but until you get the confidence up it's going to scare you.
quote:
Psychological battles are bullshite.
Maybe someone like you is able to not second guess decisions but a decision as important as taking a human life will spend a lot of time in my head. I hope I never have to cross that bridge but to pretend I would act like I simply stepped on a cockroach is untrue.
Humans don't want to kill other humans. It will be harder for a regular lay person since he or she has not been exposed to death very much (unless you have been in LE or the military).
That all being said, I still wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger. Well, I obviously won't know until I'm in that scenario, but I'm 99% sure I would pull the trigger. I can never be 100% certain since every situation is so different.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 6:28 am to weagle99
quote:
DO have the contact information for an attorney you can call 24/7 if you get involved in an event. Talk to that attorney beforehand to understand how to handle the immediate aftermath.
Great advice I never thought about
quote:
Also, DO honestly ask yourself if you are willing to shoot someone. That question is deeper than most people think it is.
My Mom & little sister got their permits at the same time & I asked my Mom this very question. She waited about a year before she carried her weapon. My little sister carried hers from the get-go.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:05 am to headboard banger
The most easy to remember advice I've ever heard:
The qualifications for a shooting to be considered justified is that it needs to meet three criteria:
1-Ability
2-Intent
3-Opportunity
1-Ability: An unarmed 6 year old child may have the intent and opportunity to kill you, but you'd have a hard time convincing a jury they had the ability to do so.
2-Intent: A person next to you with a concealed pistol may have the ability and opportunity to kill you, but no intent.
3-Opportunity: A person with a machete on the other side of the highway may have the intent to kill you, and the ability to do so, but does not have the opportunity.
If you shoot someone, you will have to prove all three. It's not as simple as saying "I feared for my life" and everyone takes your word for it. If all three criteria are not met, the "reasonable person" standard may not apply and you could be in serious trouble.
Also keep in mind that even if all three criteria are met, that doesn't mean start blasting away, you still need to assess the situation and weigh other options you might have.
As for the more fun stuff (ie what gun to carry): My $.02 is a glock 19 or 26 (gen 3) with some +P 124gr. JHPs
ETA: Also no, never had a problem while carrying other than my pistol making it uncomfortable to sit in some places.
The qualifications for a shooting to be considered justified is that it needs to meet three criteria:
1-Ability
2-Intent
3-Opportunity
1-Ability: An unarmed 6 year old child may have the intent and opportunity to kill you, but you'd have a hard time convincing a jury they had the ability to do so.
2-Intent: A person next to you with a concealed pistol may have the ability and opportunity to kill you, but no intent.
3-Opportunity: A person with a machete on the other side of the highway may have the intent to kill you, and the ability to do so, but does not have the opportunity.
If you shoot someone, you will have to prove all three. It's not as simple as saying "I feared for my life" and everyone takes your word for it. If all three criteria are not met, the "reasonable person" standard may not apply and you could be in serious trouble.
Also keep in mind that even if all three criteria are met, that doesn't mean start blasting away, you still need to assess the situation and weigh other options you might have.
As for the more fun stuff (ie what gun to carry): My $.02 is a glock 19 or 26 (gen 3) with some +P 124gr. JHPs
ETA: Also no, never had a problem while carrying other than my pistol making it uncomfortable to sit in some places.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 9:16 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:26 am to Chad504boy
Don't drink and carry...
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:41 am to TigerOnThe Hill
quote:Holy shite. Here's as good a place as any to state, you are all batshit crazy.
Be careful even telling your wife/SO
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:03 am to bapple
Excellent information here, Bapple. Thanks!
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:06 am to bapple
aren't most movie theaters gun free zones?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:12 am to Chad504boy
quote:
aren't most movie theaters gun free zones?
I've heard this recently, but I've never seen a sign on any of the theaters I go to...then again I haven't really looked.
Regardless I always carry at the movies, not so much for while I'm in the movie, but for the walk back to the car late at night in a dark parking lot.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:25 am to Chad504boy
quote:Not to these people.
aren't most movie theaters gun free zones?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:28 am to CptRusty
Any sign on a "place of accomidation", not including school gun free zones or BREC Parks, are nothing more than warning signs and have no legal weight. The owner/agent can either ask you or have a police officer ask you to leave. You will only have legal problems if you refuse.
If you are open carrying you don't even have to identify yourself. If you do have conclealed carry license and are concealed then you do have to provide your identification.
If you are open carrying you don't even have to identify yourself. If you do have conclealed carry license and are concealed then you do have to provide your identification.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:39 am to Bulletproof Lover
quote:
As for the more fun stuff (ie what gun to carry): My $.02 is a glock 19 or 26 (gen 3) with some +P 124gr. JHPs
Just an interesting thought. The 124gr. +P voids your Glock warranty if it does not meet SAMMI Standards. So if you have service done its best not to mention you shoot +P.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 10:46 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:40 am to CptRusty
quote:
What are some Do s and Don't s Regarding cancealed carry?
quote:
..then again I haven't really looked.
Regardless I always carry at the movies
quote:
What are some Do s and Don't s Regarding cancealed carry?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:47 am to Chad504boy
quote:
aren't most movie theaters gun free zones?
The owner of said business or property can pursue charges if they so choose. And it carries more legal weight if they have a sign out front saying "no guns."
On the other hand, in the specific areas outlined in LA law, it's an automatic charge.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 11:03 am
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