re: Update on the deer that was sure to die.

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Might go back to the old Rem 700 .270!

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Good idea. When hunting whitetail deer, the main benefit of a magnum like the 300 WM is a flatter trajectory and "more power" at VERY long range; the conventional rounds have sufficient trajectory and power at typical ranges.

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I'm thinking that gun shoots too fast for expansion

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Adequate expansion may be a problem, but for a different reason. Actually, a heavily constructed bullet may not expand well in a small, thin game animal like whitetail deer (compared to bigger game like elk).

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I don't buy this. I have been shooting a 300 for 15 years and with Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, Fusions and the reloads I make up using Accubonds all performed excellent. I have shot them from 50yds to 300yds with the Accubonds and it always leaves an exit wound the size of a 50 cent piece. 

On the other end of this is my brother tried using core lokts in his 7mm Mag, after loosing 3 deer he stopped. I believe that is too fast for that crappy bullet. He reloads the Accubond in it now, when he shoots one it normally drops in it tracks. 

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Agree with all this. I think bullet design is the biggest factor in performance/expansion. If you've seen the pic I posted a couple times of the 300 WM bullets, you'll notice how much more the bullets expanded at 50 yards than at 400.

A bullet will not expand more at a lower velocity than a higher velocity. It is the opposite. Look at the proof in the pic I posted. The bullets shot at 400 yards had much less expansion than the ones shot at 50. Less velocity = less energy = less expansion. Another thing to consider, more velocity = more expansion = less penetration due to more surface area of the expanded bullet.

And of course as usual, shot placement is the most important factor. The best bullet on earth won't drop a deer if you don't hit vitals or spine.

Edit: Here's the pic and article.



Article

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I think bullet design is the biggest factor in performance/expansion.

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A bullet will not expand more at a lower velocity than a higher velocity. It is the opposite.

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You are correct. You'd be surprised to know how many people mistakenly think:
Bullet penetration increases w/ increasing bullet velocity. (wrong)
Bullet expansion increases w/ decreasing bullet velocity. (wrong)

I shoot a 7 mag and almost all of my shots are less than 100 yards. I was worried about the bullet passing through too fast for expansion, so all I have ever shot is Federals with Nosler Partition bullets. Never had one run more than 20 yards. I had heard horror stories about core-lokts not expanding so I started using Noslers and I love the results.

I did, therefore not married anymore.

There's always Buhlow...

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core-lokts not expanding

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Federals

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I shoot a .300WIN MAG. Years back I grabbed a box of Federal Core locks. Ended up shooting a small marsh deer with one, shot him center shoulder. Dude got up about 5 minutes later and started limpin off back into the brush. Fired another shot into the original exit hole. He finally died out after 10-15 minutes.

Bullets went in the bayou, been shooting Winchester Supreme XP3 150gr. since. Aint had one move after the shot yet bah

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He could not get a shot because he was walking away from him and never really got broadside before slipping into the thicket.

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at least you and your dad have something in common now. missing bucks!



Shoot that buck in the head.

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Shoot that buck in the head.

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If I can't kill him broadside what the hell makes you think I could hit him in the head? Probably would just put his eye out. Then he would be crippled and blind!

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Ended up shooting a small marsh deer with one, shot him center shoulder. Dude got up about 5 minutes later and started limpin off back into the brush. Fired another shot into the original exit hole. He finally died out after 10-15 minutes.

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