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re: Topography/Geology of Vidalia vs Natchez
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:20 pm to LSUballs
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:20 pm to LSUballs
quote:That's fair.
I don't know man. I thought he was wanting to know what made the hills. It's pretty obvious what made the flat land. Either way the topo in that area is interesting to me.
I saw,
quote:and the answer is the river.
Can anyone explain why the look of each side of the river at the bridge is so different?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:23 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
and the answer is the river.
Yep, and dirt flying thru the air.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:25 pm to LSUballs
quote:
I've heard it was the prevailing winds over a long period of time blowing dust/dirt in the atmosphere from the Great Plains in the west. As the dust crossed over the river, the moisture caused it to drop out on the east side creating the hills.
one of the dumber things I've read online. reason is river cut a path with its eastern edge along a well established plateau. any area flat around the river is alluvial land, a delta that has been built. the reason the river's not farther east is the natural levee that exists as an elevated land mass. river keeps chewing it away, which is why the bluffs falling into the river.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:28 pm to runningTiger
Not sure what we're talking about here. I'm talking about the formation of the hills east of the river. The river didn't "make" those hills. The hills were formed by wind blown silt. The river has certainly ate into the hills.
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Loess is an aeolian sediment formed by the accumulation of wind-blown silt, typically in the 20–50 micrometer size range, twenty percent or less clay and the balance equal parts sand and silt[2] that are loosely cemented by calcium carbonate. It is usually homogeneous and highly porous and is traversed by vertical capillaries that permit the sediment to fracture and form vertical bluffs.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:30 pm to LSUballs
the hills are not wind blown creations. That was a stupid phd dissertation from some kid at miss state back in the 1950s. long since disproved.
if loess is the case, you would have a sharp decline in elevation after the bluffs. but instead, elevation steadily climbs through mississippi. much older process, probably something to do with formation of appalachain mountains.
if loess is the case, you would have a sharp decline in elevation after the bluffs. but instead, elevation steadily climbs through mississippi. much older process, probably something to do with formation of appalachain mountains.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:34 pm to runningTiger
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the hills are not wind blown creations. That was a stupid phd dissertation from some kid at miss state back in the 1950s. long since disproved.
Maybe so, I have no problem admitting that my geology knowledge is limited, at best. But for now I'm going to rely on what I have been told and my 30 minutes of research I did on the hills this morning. I'm certainly not going to take the word of someone who has in a very short time proven themself to be a moronic hack babbling on a message board.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:34 pm to LSUballs
I don't think anyone is disputing that. It's just irrelevant to the question posed. The entire area was pretty much the same stuff. that stuff still exist west of the river as well.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:37 pm to AlxTgr
the predominant wind in that area is from the southeast.
Only way that theory works is if there is a west wind 90% of the time. there isn't. There wasn't. dumb, disproven theory accepted by morons like you.
Only way that theory works is if there is a west wind 90% of the time. there isn't. There wasn't. dumb, disproven theory accepted by morons like you.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:47 pm to runningTiger
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the predominant wind in that area is from the southeast.
The predominant wind around there/here is pretty much due south, but I will concede that that it is SE more than West. What the predominant wind was during the ice age or whenever the frick those hills were made was I have no idea. And until you can lay out a better theory for the creation of said hills I am going to go with the general consensus.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:41 pm to runningTiger
There is pretty much consensus of the origin of the loess today and many publications on it. Here's a fairly current report with a good section on origin Louisiana Loess
While the hills may be part of an uplift event that is tied to a greater area including the Appalachians, the loess itself is not a result of in situ weathering of the source rock. It is a windblown sediment, some of glacial origin, that was deposited on existing surface and has since been eroded from the cutbank location of the MS river at Natchez.
While the hills may be part of an uplift event that is tied to a greater area including the Appalachians, the loess itself is not a result of in situ weathering of the source rock. It is a windblown sediment, some of glacial origin, that was deposited on existing surface and has since been eroded from the cutbank location of the MS river at Natchez.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:47 pm to Freebird11
too many holes in the theory about the bluffs being loess. biggest is the land behind the bluffs gradually elevates while there is no elevation at the edge of the bluffs. the real two forces: the river and the long ago creation of the appalachains.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:50 pm to runningTiger
use some common sense man
and the map in that article
it's just a plain bad theory. you think just by chance the mississippi river runs directly smack dab in the middle of the supposed loess peak?
and the map in that article
it's just a plain bad theory. you think just by chance the mississippi river runs directly smack dab in the middle of the supposed loess peak?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:58 pm to runningTiger
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it's just a plain bad theory. you think just by chance the mississippi river runs directly smack dab in the middle of the supposed loess peak?
So even accroding to that map, there are only 30 ft of loess.
The bluffs are much higher than that, so is it two tectonic plates meet at the river?
eta, house on Natches side is 250ft above sea level, LA side is only about 50ft. (according to google earth)
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 5/20/14 at 4:52 pm to Kingpenm3
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two tectonic plates meet at the river?
no
Posted on 5/20/14 at 5:01 pm to runningTiger
No I don't but the map doesn't illustrate how and across what time scales those features came to be, whether one before the other or concurrently... think of Grand Canyon but on a different scale.
The MS river is located along the MS embayment, which is basically a synclinal fold or passive continental margin that split the Ouachita from the Appalachian mountains. The location of Natchez along the river is a good example of what is essentially a fault zone that distinguishes significant the uplift to the east from the more gradual slope along the west. This is exactly why the river is where it is, because of the disparity in elevation on either side makes the fault/embayment the point of least resistance. I'd venture to guess the reason for less prominent loess deposits seen on the west is just because of the power of the river meandering and eroding and deposits along the lower elevation areas, as well as the many tributaries along the west side of the embayment copying those processes. Louisiana Fault Map
tl;dr I know. just my 2 cents of washed up geology. It's interesting to me. Maybe pectus will come back and shed some more accurate light on the issue
The MS river is located along the MS embayment, which is basically a synclinal fold or passive continental margin that split the Ouachita from the Appalachian mountains. The location of Natchez along the river is a good example of what is essentially a fault zone that distinguishes significant the uplift to the east from the more gradual slope along the west. This is exactly why the river is where it is, because of the disparity in elevation on either side makes the fault/embayment the point of least resistance. I'd venture to guess the reason for less prominent loess deposits seen on the west is just because of the power of the river meandering and eroding and deposits along the lower elevation areas, as well as the many tributaries along the west side of the embayment copying those processes. Louisiana Fault Map
tl;dr I know. just my 2 cents of washed up geology. It's interesting to me. Maybe pectus will come back and shed some more accurate light on the issue
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:12 pm to Freebird11
Supposedly there's a fault line in Baton Rouge
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:26 pm to Croacka
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the LA side was where the river path has been moving from, leaving natural flat lands comprised of sediment it has been further shifting towards MS and cutting into the hilly lands of course, this has all been slowed/killed by man made levees and control
This is your answer. La side has black dirt, were the other side has red dirt. That and over the years, plate drift to the west pushed up the land on the east side of the river.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:36 pm to fishfighter
Like red clay like they have in Georgia?
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