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Tikka (and other rifles) Safety Question
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:43 pm
I have wondered this for years. And it came up at the camp yesterday.
Why must you place the safety on Fire to close the bolt and load the gun? This seems incredibly unsafe.
My BIL has a Remington and it has 3 safety positions. One is Safe and Locked. The middle position lets you work the bolt but not fire the rifle. And Fire lets you fire.
I had an M77 as a kid. And a 700 as a young adult. I don't remember that being the case on either of those.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Why must you place the safety on Fire to close the bolt and load the gun? This seems incredibly unsafe.
My BIL has a Remington and it has 3 safety positions. One is Safe and Locked. The middle position lets you work the bolt but not fire the rifle. And Fire lets you fire.
I had an M77 as a kid. And a 700 as a young adult. I don't remember that being the case on either of those.
Can anyone enlighten me?
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Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:51 pm to No Colors
It's only unsafe if you don't follow the other gun safety rules.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:51 pm to No Colors
I've wondered the same thing. I have a Stevens(made by Savage Arms) that has to be on "fire" to operate the bolt. My son has a Savage Axis that you can work the bolt on "fire" or "safety".
I've wondered why the same company would have 2 different designs like that.
I've wondered why the same company would have 2 different designs like that.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:51 pm to No Colors
My brownings have to be on fire to operate the bolt as well
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:58 pm to No Colors
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Why must you place the safety on Fire to close the bolt and load the gun?
Safeties are supposed to prevent accidental manipulation of the fire control system. Locking the action seems prudent.
If you want a safety to protect you from your own actions ... I suggest more training or another hobby.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:03 pm to No Colors
Not sure if this is the reason but it does cause you to mindful of the safety position by having to manipulate it to work the action.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:04 pm to Ace Midnight
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Safeties are supposed to prevent accidental manipulation of the fire control system.
Like...dropping a gun while loading it and having the trigger snag something? It's a legitimate question, what's with the holier-than-thou bullshite? Would you disagree that being able to load the gun with the safety on is not in fact safer?
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:15 pm to ChatRabbit77
It would seem the safest design would be the rifle that only needs the be put in a fire ready state moments before you want to pull the trigger 
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:17 pm to Ace Midnight
Listen Nancy, some of us were taught to NEVER put a gun in the fire position unless you are ready to pull the trigger and shoot something. Having to put a gun on fire to rack a live round into the chamber goes against everything my daddy taught me.
So take that shite back to the OT.
So take that shite back to the OT.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:19 pm to No Colors
What Remington has a 3 position safety?
Remingtons 2 position safety allows you to manipulate the action and clear the chamber.
Any of the three position safeties should allow this as well.
No idea what rifle requires you to put it on fire. Never seen that before.
3 position safeties are normally:
Safe-bolt locked
Safe-bolt unlocked
Fire
You don't have to put it all the way to fire to manipulate the bolt.
ETA: looks like model 700s built before 1982 had what the OP is describing.
Remingtons 2 position safety allows you to manipulate the action and clear the chamber.
Any of the three position safeties should allow this as well.
No idea what rifle requires you to put it on fire. Never seen that before.
3 position safeties are normally:
Safe-bolt locked
Safe-bolt unlocked
Fire
You don't have to put it all the way to fire to manipulate the bolt.
ETA: looks like model 700s built before 1982 had what the OP is describing.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:21 pm to No Colors
It's so the bolt doesn't snag on something while walking around and pop open.
I personally LOVE the tikka safety and hate 3 positions. It's easily to use and does everything I want.
I personally LOVE the tikka safety and hate 3 positions. It's easily to use and does everything I want.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:29 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
It's so the bolt doesn't snag on something while walking around and pop open
^^^This.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 5:08 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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It's a legitimate question, what's with the holier-than-thou bullshite?
I'm not being holier than thou. The system you describe is a choice made by that manufacturer - to lock the action in the safe position. When you load it, the manufacturer assumes you are attentive, finger off the trigger, but otherwise ready to fire.
quote:
Would you disagree that being able to load the gun with the safety on is not in fact safer?
I think that is can be a safety neutral situation if you follow other gun safety protocols.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 5:11 pm to REB BEER
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Listen Nancy
quote:
some of us were taught to NEVER put a gun in the fire position unless you are ready to pull the trigger and shoot something.
Exactly. What the OP describes is an additional step - you have to put it on fire to even load it.
My Sig pistols have no manual safeties. Are they "unsafe"? Some pistols with slide mounted safeties lock the action on safe and has to be put on fire to load, clear or fire.
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So take that shite back to the OT.
frick you, aight?
Posted on 12/29/16 at 5:51 pm to kengel2
quote:IDK, but have heard/read where the safety latch of some of the old 700's had to be in the "fire" position in order to open the bolt.
What Remington has a 3 position safety?
I was looking at a friend of mines' X-Bolt this past weekend and i'm pretty sure it had to be safety off/fire in order to open the bolt. Damn japs.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 5:52 pm to White Bear
Ya pre 1982 is what I found.
But i don't remember a centerfire Remington with a 3 position safety.
I've seen aftermarket 3 position safeties for remington.
But i don't remember a centerfire Remington with a 3 position safety.
I've seen aftermarket 3 position safeties for remington.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:50 pm to REB BEER
quote:
Listen Nancy, some of us were taught to NEVER put a gun in the fire position unless you are ready to pull the trigger and shoot something.
Glock owner
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:22 pm to No Colors
One of the big things I like about the Sako A7 is it has a separate bolt release button, that you can use to chamber in or out a live round without firing. I wish the Tikka had that same feature.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:27 pm to No Colors
My Cz .22 is the only gun I own that is that way and I've wondered the same thing. I figured it was because it was made by foreigners.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 7:36 am to No Colors
My browning x-bolt has a button that lets me open it while on safety.
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