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Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:40 am to tigerfoot
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I am not concerned in the least.
The dropping number of hunting licenses sold doesn't concern you?
Nor the aging hunting population?
Nor the increased urbanization of America?
Coordinated, well funded lobbying efforts to outlaw types of hunting as illustrated in the OP?
Efforts to outlaw lead ammunition in California? To put hunting ammo under the authority of the EPA?
Thankfully some are concerned.
I have personally introduced new people to hunting, so hopefully your 'barking' comment was aimed elsewhere.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 11:45 am
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:43 am to TigerDeacon
quote:Watch the tannerite hog videos.
I think I should be able to place land mines on my food plots.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:43 am to weagle99
What is a little troubling to me are the people who seem to be somewhat antagonistic towards even discussing this topic.
Do any of you think HSUS is promoting hunting, or even neutral? Do you dispute the numbers and other facts in the article?
Do any of you think HSUS is promoting hunting, or even neutral? Do you dispute the numbers and other facts in the article?
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 11:46 am
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:48 am to weagle99
quote:What's this?
What is a little troubling to me are the people who seem to be somewhat antagonistic towards even discussing this topic.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:50 am to jorconalx
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I find bear hunting to be distasteful at best.
What's amusing is the ignorance of the "pro-hunting" posters on this board saying how "distasteful" hunting a certain predator species is. If you are a hunter, then you understand conservation. If you understand conservation, how can you be against hunting any species at all, especially a predator? Im assuming you'd rather them overpopulate an area and starve to death. That's the alternative. It's pretty mind-boggling how simple this concept is but is so easily spun because of lack of understanding and twisted because of misplaced emotion.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:54 am to AlxTgr
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Watch the tannerite hog videos.
That involves actually being there to set off/shoot the tannerite.
I prefer my explosions to be remote and indiscriminate.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:54 am to dnm3305
quote:
What's amusing is the ignorance of the "pro-hunting" posters on this board saying how "distasteful" hunting a certain predator species is. If you are a hunter, then you understand conservation. If you understand conservation, how can you be against hunting any species at all, especially a predator? Im assuming you'd rather them overpopulate an area and starve to death. That's the alternative. It's pretty mind-boggling how simple this concept is but is so easily spun because of lack of understanding and twisted because of misplaced emotion.
Where are bears starving to death?
Just a question.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:55 am to weagle99
quote:What does this have to do with HSUS? Are they not letting people get hunting licenses? That would suck.
The dropping number of hunting licenses sold doesn't concern you? Nor the aging hunting population?
quote:People have opinions and are voicing them, I don't know why this would get me upset. That is the greatness of America and is actually a freedom.
Coordinated, well funded lobbying efforts to outlaw types of hunting as illustrated in the OP? Efforts to outlaw lead ammunition in California? To put hunting ammo under the authority of the EPA?
Ammo is discharged into the environment, I don't know why it being "under the authority of the EPA", means or why it would be a terrible thing. I am sure there is an amazingly trumped path to the banning of all ammunition that this would lead to, I am just not familiar with that particular conspiracy.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:57 am to dnm3305
Personal preference. I don't find bear hunting to be appealing. To each his own. You kind of cherry picked my comment. I may not care for it, but I don't want to see it outlawed.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:59 am to dnm3305
quote:So you would prefer an human caused death so we can insure that the bears live in an overpopulated state, so we can have the jollies of killing em generation after generation?
If you understand conservation, how can you be against hunting any species at all, especially a predator? Im assuming you'd rather them overpopulate an area and starve to death.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:02 pm to tigerfoot
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What does this have to do with HSUS? Are they not letting people get hunting licenses? That would suck.
It has to do with an American public that is increasingly separated from the hunting culture and more willing to agree with efforts put forth by groups like HSUS to outlaw types of hunting that many consider mainstream today.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:13 pm to weagle99
quote:the hunting culture has made itself amazingly hard for the American public to embrace.
It has to do with an American public that is increasingly separated from the hunting culture
20 years ago, I could go to South Iowa and hunt one of 10-12 woodlots, now all of these are leased and inaccessible, I also can get drawn every other year IF I but a preference point. Why is this? Big bucks chasing big bucks.
The hunting population of the US has made every effort they can to exclude others, now we are surprised at a lack of participation?
You cant hunt here, it is our lease, you cant shoot a spike here we under a trophy management program. You cant run dogs here, if fricks up my corn pile watch.
I am fine with it, but I am not the one wringing my hands about decreasing hunting numbers. I promise you this, it has a lot more to do with hunters than it does anti hunting efforts.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:14 pm to tigerfoot
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the analogies here are out of control
Are you referring to mine? If you are you need to wake the hell up.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:24 pm to tigerfoot
Fair points. The competitive nature of some types of hunting turn people off no doubt, unfortunately.
I argue that the 'some types of hunting can be restricted' mindset is not that far removed from the situations you are describing. Fighting each other over details certainly won't help the hunting culture overall.
I argue that the 'some types of hunting can be restricted' mindset is not that far removed from the situations you are describing. Fighting each other over details certainly won't help the hunting culture overall.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:34 pm to weagle99
quote:Except one is paranoid fear over something that isn't intended, foreseeable nor likely...one is happening and supported by the hunting community.
'some types of hunting can be restricted' mindset is not that far removed from the situations you are describing
'hunters' have redefined the activity as an exclusive one. How many hunting shows are on that show a dude hiking back in public land spending 120 hours in a stand to finally pull back on a doe?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:42 pm to tigerfoot
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paranoid
You do your argument a disservice by calling people who are concerned about anti-hunting groups 'paranoid,' IMO, particularly when there are verifiable situations involving the cessation of hunting activities.
quote:
hunters' have redefined the activity as an exclusive one.
Some have. We could all do more I'm sure. Have you introduced new hunters to the sport? Spoken to non hunters about the enjoyment of the sport? Change will have to come from all of us.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:49 pm to weagle99
I am not concerned about dwindling hunting numbers....however I cant count the number of grown men I have taken to the duck blind that needed help to load a shotgun. In my prior days I didn't even take my gun with me to insure safety, that is how green these cats were....but to repeat, this is not by burden of proof to provide, it was your concern.
As far as paranoia, I stand by the word choice. Once again, of the verifiable situations that have resulted in cessation of hunting activities, I would venture their are many more regs that have been placed on hunting by hunters than non hunters, and it isn't even close.....generally to protect what that particular hunting groups wants or desires.
As far as paranoia, I stand by the word choice. Once again, of the verifiable situations that have resulted in cessation of hunting activities, I would venture their are many more regs that have been placed on hunting by hunters than non hunters, and it isn't even close.....generally to protect what that particular hunting groups wants or desires.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:56 pm to tigerfoot
By the way, why did you tell me to put my shells in the wrong end of the shotgun?
Coom by yay
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Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:11 pm to tigerfoot
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As far as paranoia, I stand by the word choice
Of course. Everyone on the internet is right.
A few years ago anyone suggesting the BATFE would move to outlaw 5.56 ammo would have been labeled paranoid by some.
CT banning the sale of AR15's to its citizens in the very state where Colt manufactures them? Paranoid.
Etc etc.
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