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Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:29 am to
Posted by miramon
Member since Oct 2016
176 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:29 am to
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Redfish - 9-11 wt


My friend if you find yourself slogging an 11 wt around for redfish you are truly doing it wrong. Thats my lemonfish/king mackerel/red snapper rig.
Posted by HotKoolaid
Member since Oct 2017
444 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:36 am to
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Have you thrown a Hardy Zephrus SWS?


Lots. It's a nice rod that comes in a nice tube with a cool logo but like most in that price range I don't find any of them to be all that much different from the others. It seems that Loomis, Scott, Hardy, etc have better reel seats than Orvis but even that's a subjective opinion.

I'm of the opinion that large majority of name brand fly rods are good. So good that it's hard for most to tell the difference. Once you get up over $400 they are all very good. Eventually it comes down to hardware and warranty. Unless you're a stickler for things like perfectly even wraps or nice printing.

Full disclosure my redfish rods are all over the place. H2's, RPL's, a Trident, and two cheap TFO's. The H2's I got as part of an upgrade program otherwise I would have been happy to keep the Orvis rods I traded in. There are time when the TFO rods don't have enough backbone to handle the conditions but at the same time people are just entering the game with these TFO rods aren't likely to be fishing in slop like some of the more dedicated fishermen who drop big money on rods to minimize that variable.

My advice is usually budget $250 for a rod but try to find one for less. It doesn't matter if it's a 12 year old RPL or a brand new BVK. Don't jump straight to a heavy front tapered line like ignitor or SA redfish. Learn to cast a grain appropriate line. The reel isn't important for reds but try to get something you won't have to replace immediately.

None of this matters if you don't practice.
Posted by reds on reds on reds
Birmingham
Member since Sep 2013
4223 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:44 am to
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Lots. It's a nice rod that comes in a nice tube with a cool logo but like most in that price range I don't find any of them to be all that much different from the others. It seems that Loomis, Scott, Hardy, etc have better reel seats than Orvis but even that's a subjective opinion.

I'm of the opinion that large majority of name brand fly rods are good. So good that it's hard for most to tell the difference. Once you get up over $400 they are all very good. Eventually it comes down to hardware and warranty. Unless you're a stickler for things like perfectly even wraps or nice printing.

Full disclosure my redfish rods are all over the place. H2's, RPL's, a Trident, and two cheap TFO's. The H2's I got as part of an upgrade program otherwise I would have been happy to keep the Orvis rods I traded in. There are time when the TFO rods don't have enough backbone to handle the conditions but at the same time people are just entering the game with these TFO rods aren't likely to be fishing in slop like some of the more dedicated fishermen who drop big money on rods to minimize that variable.

My advice is usually budget $250 for a rod but try to find one for less. It doesn't matter if it's a 12 year old RPL or a brand new BVK. Don't jump straight to a heavy front tapered line like ignitor or SA redfish. Learn to cast a grain appropriate line. The reel isn't important for reds but try to get something you won't have to replace immediately.

None of this matters if you don't practice.


Yep, agree with all of that. There's a dude on Microskiff that sells brand new Hardy's for $450 which is the reason I was asking.

I'm all over the place as well. Sage Salt HD, GLoomis Crosscurent GLX/NRX, Hardy, Sage TCX, Scott Meridian, and a BVK or two.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29474 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:54 am to
Thanks to everyone for the responses. I’m not sure on my budget but I’d be comfortable with the $250 target starting out. Guess my next question would be do you primarily fish out of a boat? Bank? Ever tried a kayak?
Posted by Mr Mom
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2012
796 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:37 pm to
I've been wanting to do this for quite a while now. We don't get many days in the marsh of SE Louisiana with no wind. How hard is it going to be to learn to cast a fly rod with the standard breeze we have in the marshes? I've been fly fishing for salmon in Alaska and trout in Tennessee, but neither cases did I have to cast very far.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16647 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:50 pm to
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How hard is it going to be to learn to cast a fly rod with the standard breeze we have in the marshes?


It adds to the difficulty. As stated earlier in this thread modern day saltwater specific rods are faster and forward tapers are more aggressive to deal with the wind present in saltwater situations. In Louisiana most redfishing is pretty close. Casting accuracy matters more than distance. Conditions aren't always ideal but plenty of fishable days to enjoy it down here.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
20144 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:56 pm to
I bought a beginner deal at Bass Pro. Great for bream! Takes a bit of practice especially in and around trees but go for it. My setup was about $150-$200. The reel is a White River HC III and the rod is a White River Hobbs Creek HC 865 8’6” #5 line E10.
Posted by Mr Mom
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2012
796 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:59 pm to
What kind of boat do you guys fish off of for reds in the marsh? Just a bay boat? flats boat with a casting platform? Aluminum flat boat with a big arse tower on the font? I have a Blackjack 256 with a T-top that I don't think would be ideal for this type of fishing. I've sort of been in the market for a second boat for getting into ponds and other shallower areas.
Posted by reds on reds on reds
Birmingham
Member since Sep 2013
4223 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

What kind of boat do you guys fish off of for reds in the marsh? Just a bay boat? flats boat with a casting platform? Aluminum flat boat with a big arse tower on the font? I have a Blackjack 256 with a T-top that I don't think would be ideal for this type of fishing. I've sort of been in the market for a second boat for getting into ponds and other shallower areas.



Poling skiffs.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16647 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:09 pm to
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flats boat


Flats boats and poling skiffs are laid out for fly-fishing. These are ideal.

However, you can fly fish off of any shallow water boat. I have fly fished out of Technical Poling Skiffs, flats boats, aluminum john boats, bay boats, kayaks, campagna skiffs, etc...

In order from best to worst forms of propulsion when fly fishing
(1) Push Pole
(2) Paddle
(3) Trolling Motor
(4) Feet --- Sand beach - you will be up to your hips and eaten by flies if you do this in the marsh.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Hebed118
Lafourche Parish
Member since Jun 2017
114 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:26 pm to
Lessons are a great start!

The TFO BVK is a great rod that won't break the bank. I'd look at these first in 8wt. GREAT warranty with these too!

I wouldn't throw a lot of money at it until you are sure it is something you enjoy and get the use out of it. If you want to go all out on your first setup for whatever reason, as mentioned the new Orvis H3 is amazing! Pair it with a Nautilus reel and you'll be set for quite a long time.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24182 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:37 pm to
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I bought a setup a few years ago ($150ish) but I haven't figured it out although I live right next to a park pond where I try to practice with it quite often. I keep on getting that "whip" effect and literally popping the flies off the end of the tapered leaders. I've definitely lost more flies than successful casts I've made.



Most likely, it isn't your rod, but your line that is handicapping you. "budget" fly lines that come with "kit" rods have notoriously bad tapers and can be significantly off on their grain weights. Try a half weight heavy line like the SA MPX and see what that does for you.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 2:38 pm
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:43 pm to


I have to brag about the bream I caught at every opportunity because they are pretty much the only thing I caught a lot of lol. I tie bream killer flies and it tears them up on the beds
Posted by Bigbee Hills
Member since Feb 2019
1531 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:46 pm to
For bass and bows? What kind of waters, primarily, will you fish? For bass, are ya fishing big open ponds and lakes or cypress swamps? For trout, are you hitting big wide shoals with plenty of backcasting room or technical streams in the smokies? What kind of trout and what presentation: Weighted line, deep water streamer fishing for giant browns, or dry fly presentations to surfacing bows, etc.?

IMO, to suit most situations, assuming you're in LA or MS most of the time, get the best, highest quality rod you can afford in 5 weight with a medium or medium fast action. If you're fishing really tight places with less opportunities for distance casts, don't go over 8 feet long and get a slower action. Also, if fishing tight places or fishing big bass plugs with a 5 weight, maybe go up a line weight size. I like double taper because I have a 4 weight and with a +1 size DT line I can use bigger bass plugs on the rare occasion that I use them, because the line doesn't add even more weight, but I can also get distance casts when on the little red where I have room to backcast, while also feathering in a dry fly to stocker rainbows with a lighter touch than WF line.

Splurge on the rod; the reel is not as important for the average deep south baw who dabbles with fly fishing for warm/fresh water species.

I like a slow action rod for finesse type fishing and all freshwater fly fishing in general. Casting is therapeutic, and a slow action rod just makes things fun. They make roll casting and other tight situation casts easier also. My next rod will be one of the slow action fiberglass rods that are gaining popularity again.

This is all assuming that you're looking for a single setup to suit your best interests for bass and trout, in general. There's no one size fits all, as you already probably know.

I know NOTHING about real world applications of saltwater fly fishing for reds, etc., but I'm envious of those that do, simply because they get to do it.

Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25165 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

Trout - 3-6 wt
Redfish - 9-11 wt

TFO makes good rods that will not break the bank. If you’re a baller I would look at Scott rods


I've caught 40+ lbs Tarpon on an 8wt. Can't imagine using an 11wt on a redfish.

quote:

I keep on getting that "whip" effect and literally popping the flies off the end of the tapered leaders. I've definitely lost more flies than successful casts I've made.


You're probably doing two things wrong.

Breaking your wrist and not waiting on the fly line to straighten on the back cast.

On the 1st. Tie a loop of line around the the reel of your rod and tie somewhat loosely around your wrist. You want it tight enough so that your wrist won't break.
Your arm and flyrod should for a straight line and almost pointing straight up.

On not waiting, best drill is to 1st shorten how much you are trying to cast. On the back cast stop until the line falls to the ground.
Then make a forward cast.

Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64493 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 3:48 pm to
The catfish took your fly?
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 4:05 pm to
Cat was on a jug
Posted by ToxicTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
67 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 5:04 pm to
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I have a Blackjack 256 with a T-top


I am jelly.
Posted by Citica8
Duckroost, LA
Member since Dec 2012
3666 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:52 pm to
The fact $900 rods are even mentioned in this thread, for someone who might be interested in trying it, is laughable.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29474 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:27 am to
It’s okay, honestly doesn’t bother me. There’s been good info here.
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