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TC Pro Hunter shooters
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:37 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:37 am
I did some trading with my cousin last year for this gun. It’s in .35 Whelen, equipped with weaver rings and a Nikon ProStaff 3x9x50.
Tried sighting it in last week and I am having some issues. Started at 35yds, was shooting about 3” high, L-R was good. Backed up to 100yds, could barely keep it on the paper. After about 10rds at 100, I figured I was flinching and most of it was me. Told myself I would shoot 3 more times. Same outcome, scattered all over the place.
I am wanting to zero it for 200yds. I understand some of that may be trajectory, but it was all over the place, high, low, left, right. I’d make adjustments and no change. Guy at the camp says his TC in 45-70 was doing same thing and that a gun smith said his foregrip screw needed to be tightened to only 13-18lbs. I couldn’t find any info on that online. Asked a local gunsmith here, he said he had never heard of such either.
Anyone have any insight or info on getting this sucker dialed in? Think the recoil has already knocked a dial loose in the scope?
Tried sighting it in last week and I am having some issues. Started at 35yds, was shooting about 3” high, L-R was good. Backed up to 100yds, could barely keep it on the paper. After about 10rds at 100, I figured I was flinching and most of it was me. Told myself I would shoot 3 more times. Same outcome, scattered all over the place.
I am wanting to zero it for 200yds. I understand some of that may be trajectory, but it was all over the place, high, low, left, right. I’d make adjustments and no change. Guy at the camp says his TC in 45-70 was doing same thing and that a gun smith said his foregrip screw needed to be tightened to only 13-18lbs. I couldn’t find any info on that online. Asked a local gunsmith here, he said he had never heard of such either.
Anyone have any insight or info on getting this sucker dialed in? Think the recoil has already knocked a dial loose in the scope?
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:42 am to ChandlerB03
Change bullets. Try something else.
Have had that problem with many guns. Gotta find what your gun likes
Have had that problem with many guns. Gotta find what your gun likes
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 8:43 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:46 am to ChandlerB03
Not trying to be insulting but can you usually shoot a group?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:58 am to ChatRabbit77
Yeah, I can put pretty good groups together. Had no problems with the boys 7mm and the .308 
I was shooting the hornadys. Same round my cousin had used and he’s killed many deer with it.
I was shooting the hornadys. Same round my cousin had used and he’s killed many deer with it.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:34 am to ChandlerB03
The gun packs a punch. Would start by removing the scope and thread lock down everything from scratch.
Bore site it back to about 25 yrds and try again.
Do not move the scope too much. Maybe make 3 shots before adjusting. If the bullet is all over then you have may have a scope problem. But try different weight and brand ammo first.
Borrow a lead sled it will take you out the equation.
Bore site it back to about 25 yrds and try again.
Do not move the scope too much. Maybe make 3 shots before adjusting. If the bullet is all over then you have may have a scope problem. But try different weight and brand ammo first.
Borrow a lead sled it will take you out the equation.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:56 am to ChandlerB03
In order of likelihood:
Loose scope rings, .35 Whelen is hard on them. Blue loctite every screw, and I use a single piece mount.
Gun is picky about ammo, caliber is notorious for it, no idea why. My CVA will spray corlokts and drive tacks with federal.
Check the torque on the forgrip screw as you mentioned. Over tightening can put pressure on the barrel. This is very common in cheaper handi-rifles but if someone removed the foregrip to clean, they could have over torqued thinking that tighter is better. I used a small o-ring on the screw to act as a washer and "float" the barrel, just snugged it down.
Last but least, I've read online some TCs have issues with the hinge pin. I never quite understood the issue, but it's worth mentioning.
Good luck, .35 Whelen is the hammer of the gods.
Loose scope rings, .35 Whelen is hard on them. Blue loctite every screw, and I use a single piece mount.
Gun is picky about ammo, caliber is notorious for it, no idea why. My CVA will spray corlokts and drive tacks with federal.
Check the torque on the forgrip screw as you mentioned. Over tightening can put pressure on the barrel. This is very common in cheaper handi-rifles but if someone removed the foregrip to clean, they could have over torqued thinking that tighter is better. I used a small o-ring on the screw to act as a washer and "float" the barrel, just snugged it down.
Last but least, I've read online some TCs have issues with the hinge pin. I never quite understood the issue, but it's worth mentioning.
Good luck, .35 Whelen is the hammer of the gods.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:00 pm to ChandlerB03
I had a T/C Encore in .308.
I couldn't get it to hit paper twice at 100yds. I have had plenty of experience shooting and was actually trying to work up a load the gun like.
After a bunch of research it turned out that it was the gun.
Something about the hinge pin and it causing some movement after a trigger pull.
I ended up getting rid of the gun. No telling how many rounds I put through that gun trying to figure it out.
Not what you want to hear but unfortunately either spend a decent amount of money to fix it or sell it.
It sucks
I couldn't get it to hit paper twice at 100yds. I have had plenty of experience shooting and was actually trying to work up a load the gun like.
After a bunch of research it turned out that it was the gun.
Something about the hinge pin and it causing some movement after a trigger pull.
I ended up getting rid of the gun. No telling how many rounds I put through that gun trying to figure it out.
Not what you want to hear but unfortunately either spend a decent amount of money to fix it or sell it.
It sucks
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:07 pm to ChandlerB03
I had a similar issue with that ammo with H&R 35. That is just a picky caliber. I switched to the Barnes and am shooting dime groups at 100 yards. That TC may just need different ammo.
Good luck
Good luck
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:12 pm to bbvdd
I read multiple forums of people describing the hinge pin issue but I could never wrap my brain around it. The scope is mounted to the bore, I don't see how movement between the stock and bore could change the point of aim. I guess if there's enough play in the pin the bore will move on recoil? Still seems really strange to me.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:20 pm to ChandlerB03
Best I’ve found for mine is Barnes ammo. Expensive load but groups better than anything else I’ve shot. Had pretty good luck with Hornaday superperformance.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 2:51 pm to ChandlerB03
I shoot nosler 200gr accubond trophy grade ammo i love then very accurate ammo. i shoot 1.75" high at 100yds and im dead on at 200yds. does some serious damage. they are a bit pricey but well worth it
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:14 pm to ChandlerB03
go to www.Bellmtcs.com and order a new hinge pin. it will make a difference. i had to change mine because it was a very sloppy fit. it made a big difference in my grouping. $15.00 for the hinge pin. cheap enough to give it a try, also check all of the scope mount screws. make sure they are tight. good luck
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:26 pm to j327
Thanks for all the info. Will go try some different rounds and check the hinge pin.
When I first got the gun, I dismantled it down as far enough as I could, cleaned it up (probably better than my cousin ever had it) and reassembled. I will double check the tightness on all the screws.
What are the signs for the hinge pin? I can tell you this, sometimes it ejects fine, sometimes you have to pry the round out.
When I first got the gun, I dismantled it down as far enough as I could, cleaned it up (probably better than my cousin ever had it) and reassembled. I will double check the tightness on all the screws.
What are the signs for the hinge pin? I can tell you this, sometimes it ejects fine, sometimes you have to pry the round out.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:31 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I read multiple forums of people describing the hinge pin issue but I could never wrap my brain around it. The scope is mounted to the bore, I don't see how movement between the stock and bore could change the point of aim. I guess if there's enough play in the pin the bore will move on recoil? Still seems really strange to me.
I agree. I played with it quite a bit but never spent any money on it. I may have turned into a fine rifle but I had already missed one deer because of it and didn't want to miss another.
Only thing I could picture in my mind is that the hammer could make the barrel enough to change point of impact.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:45 pm to ChandlerB03
If the hinge pin is loose or a sloppy fit Or you can take it out easy when u break down the barrel from the frame It may need to be changed On mine I could push it out with my finger with no force at all n the barrel n frame was a sloppy fit So I researched this problem n found the bellm website with tons of information on the T/C encore Their website is loaded with good information on all kinds of encore issues They recommended changing hinge pin so I ordered one n instantly I saw a difference in my grouping Then I started trying different ammo and I found the nosler trophy grade ammo shot the best in my gun Hopefully this helps some Good luck n good hunting
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:50 pm to ChandlerB03
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What are the signs for the hinge pin? I can tell you this, sometimes it ejects fine, sometimes you have to pry the round out.
There will be a tiny bit of play in it. It comes from the tolerance being just a little off, and the fix is a slightly bigger pin. I'm not a gunsmith, but movement between the barrel and the frame could account for the brass getting jammed in there when the recoil forces the barrel backwards towards the frame.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:47 pm to ChandlerB03
I shoot that exact gun. 180 grain hornadys were all over the place at 50 yards. Went through a whole box (letting the barrel cool after 2-3 shots). Did some research and found out they don't like light bullets. Switched to a 225 grain accubond and now it's basically a 1 moa gun. It likes 225 corlocks too.
Tldr: try a 225 grain bullet.
Tldr: try a 225 grain bullet.
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