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re: Snapper reports?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:17 pm to Capt ST
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:17 pm to Capt ST
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Yes men, I'd rather be called gay. But I understand, there seems to be a bunch in this administration.
You do what you gotta do to survive. Also, you can be in opposition without going on record. That's what staff meetings are for....hell, call it "executive privilege" and nobody even has to know you were there.
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That's the reason for your permit.
Wait, are you talking about the federal reef permit or the new state permit/reporting? Just trying to make sure I understand you correctly.
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Look I was for the status quo thinking the Feds would see the error in their ways. Fast forward to spill, knowing full well we didn't come close to reaching our TAC they pull some funny math and we get an even shorter season the following year. Fricking idiots.
Could they make the argument that local overpopulation drives migration? It's just hard to see anyway to justify that with a non-pelagic species.
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Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:19 pm to Imnotagoogan41
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The only problem is that the Feds assessment on total catch is a complete mythical estimation with no concrete numbers. They have no clue how many fish louisiana recreational fisherman catch and thats why i like the states new measures of requiring snapper landing reports if selected to give one. This information will prove to the feds that their math is off.
At the same time, they could argue that fisherman are not reporting properly (which will probably be the case).
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:29 pm to Imnotagoogan41
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because we hold the largest amount of snapper off our coast
90% of which are outside of state waters.
Congress ordered NOAA to expidite the assessments before the spill, still nothing. The thing the really leaves me at a loss is their math. We don't have near the people in this state running out and snapper fishing they think we do. This permit system should help out tremendously.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:35 pm to Jester
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I have also spoken to LDWF scientists who disagree with the way the state proceeded
Not to be a dick again, but how are the scientists in a position to say that the state going non compliant is the wrong political move? Just give me the data. Scientists are way too political these days. affects their data.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:36 pm to Capt ST
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We don't have near the people in this state running out and snapper fishing they think we do
I agree. LA anglers probably have the furthest runs to fishing grounds out of any on the gulf coast. The average size of vessel fishing in federal waters is probably close to 25' meaning that only a small well off portion of the population is even fishing snapper and an even smaller one targeting amberjack and blue water species.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:37 pm to Motorboat
That's been the problem since day 1. Scientists think they're politicians, and politicians think they're scientists. Do what you're paid to do and leave the rest up to the professional.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:49 pm to Motorboat
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Not to be a dick again, but how are the scientists in a position to say that the state going non compliant is the wrong political move?
My point was that you were making it seem like everyone on the state side were in agreement with how to proceed, when that's not the case. Asking that some action be taken doesn't mean that you support any action being taken.
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Just give me the data. Scientists are way too political these days. affects their data.
If you can ignore economists, you can ignore ecologists.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 3:53 pm to Jester
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My point was that you were making it seem like everyone on the state side were in agreement with how to proceed, when that's not the case
I didn't make it seem like that. However, there was overwhelming support of going non compliant in the meetings I've attended at both LWF and Gulf Council. If there were those opposing non-compliance in the manner in which it was done, they should have spoken up.
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If you can ignore economists, you can ignore ecologists.
Then I ignore myself. I have money and I spend it. on fishing. While fishing, I see the ecology is in pretty decent shape. I don't need a degree for this either.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 4:19 pm to Motorboat
There's a US congressman from Alabama can't think of his name that has supposedly introduced a bill to allow states to regulate the harvest of marine species out to the 20 fathom line. No way that passes but I'm all for it because I think the state can do a much better job assessing the stocks than the Feds.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 4:26 pm to Motorboat
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Then I ignore myself
That statement was not directed at you, but the current political climate in the state. quote:
I have money and I spend it.
I do, too
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on fishing.
Yep
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While fishing, I see the ecology is in pretty decent shape
I agree that it is in pretty good shape.
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I don't need a degree for this either.
The degree comes into play when you start extrapolating that current information into future changes. The snapper are definitely way better than they were 30 or 40 years ago, but are they back to normal? I don't know. That's where I have to take the word of the person out there doing structured analyses.
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