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re: Review on these ARs
Posted on 7/20/16 at 12:54 pm to ChatRabbit77
Posted on 7/20/16 at 12:54 pm to ChatRabbit77
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It's definitely the URX rail forged from a log of God's feces that holds the absolute tightest tolerances of anything in the world. Or maybe its those nifty rail panels that make sure you can have a grip that cuts groups by .5 moa.
This is definitely it!
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:18 pm to jbgleason
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LaRue OBR or PredatOBR if we are going to start talking about expensive rifles.
This....
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:22 pm to rungunz
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If you don't think the E3 bolt is a significant improvement contributing to the increased price of admission, then you don't have to buy it.
Paying 4k+ for a rifle for it's bolt is fricken nuts. You have to be out of your damn mind if you think the bolt justifies the price.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:37 pm to ChatRabbit77
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Paying 4k+ for a rifle for it's bolt is fricken nuts. You have to be out of your damn mind if you think the bolt justifies the price.
Talk about strawman.
Please, tell me more about how that Noveske in your sig was worth $1,500 over an equivalent from BCM.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:44 pm to rungunz
Not to hijack this thread, but I'm building my own 308 that I want to shoot at long distances. I just purchased a Juggernaut Tactical 308 lower, and am weighing my options on a complete upper.
Do either of you fiery individuals have suggestions on a complete upper in the $1k range? TIA
Do either of you fiery individuals have suggestions on a complete upper in the $1k range? TIA
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:11 pm to ICantStopLurking
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Do either of you fiery individuals have suggestions on a complete upper in the $1k range? TIA
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:12 pm to ICantStopLurking
ICantStopLurking
Member since Dec 2011
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quite possibly the most fitting name ever!!!!
Member since Dec 2011
28 posts
quite possibly the most fitting name ever!!!!
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:21 pm to rungunz
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Talk about strawman.
Please, tell me more about how that Noveske in your sig was worth $1,500 over an equivalent from BCM.
You call out a strawman and then pull a red herring.
How about you argue some of the points with actual data? No one here is saying you're wrong just for the sake of it - they're providing accessories and data points to back up their claims. They are making a much more compelling case than you. And the more you let your feelings get hurt, the less likely you are to win the argument.
Be objective and stop insulting people personally. That would be referred to as an "ad hominem" fallacy and would get the tally up to 3 total fallacies, which easily derails your argument.
What do you think justifies the price tag of the KAC? What specifically in the R&D makes it superior to guns costing much less? I have yet to see you answer this.
I have no dog in the fight because I don't know much about AR10s. It's just annoying to watch your critics bring facts and you bring nothing in return.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:33 pm to bapple
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You call out a strawman and then pull a red herring.
How about you argue some of the points with actual data? No one here is saying you're wrong just for the sake of it - they're providing accessories and data points to back up their claims. They are making a much more compelling case than you. And the more you let your feelings get hurt, the less likely you are to win the argument.
Be objective and stop insulting people personally. That would be referred to as an "ad hominem" fallacy and would get the tally up to 3 total fallacies, which easily derails your argument.
What do you think justifies the price tag of the KAC? What specifically in the R&D makes it superior to guns costing much less? I have yet to see you answer this.
I have no dog in the fight because I don't know much about AR10s. It's just annoying to watch your critics bring facts and you bring nothing in return.
Red herring? Nope, it's merely an analogy.
Ad hominem? Where?
Data? I haven't seen any presented by someone else.
All I've gathered is "I'd rather buy a Nemo because I think it looks cooler, and I have assigned merit to a X Y and Z."
In my circle, I have experience with LMT, KAC, Larue, Armalite, DPMS, SCAR17. Out of those rifles, it is my opinion that the LMT and KAC offer more for my needs.
Thanks.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:44 pm to rungunz
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Red herring? Nope, it's merely an analogy.
It is in fact a red herring. It's an attempt to derail the topic by pointing out something else.
I get what you're saying - most Noveske rifles are more expensive compared to others that do the same thing. But that hasn't been the topic of conversation the entire time.
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Ad hominem? Where?
You made a reference to carrying a purse and said no one here is capable of using google.
If you're so capable of using google, then google some info and show us. No one is stopping you.
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"I'd rather buy a Nemo because I think it looks cooler, and I have assigned merit to a X Y and Z."
Jdavid gave specific features that are expected on higher end rifles that the KAC does not include. I think this is quite valid information.
And if you disagree with him, then explain why each feature is a gimmick.
EDIT: Just saw you tapped out by saying, "in my opinion." If you had said that earlier, you wouldn't have caught as much flak.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:46 pm to rungunz
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The vast majority of military contracts are awarded for a reason,
Really? Explain why the military is only now moving away from Beretta M9's despite there being vastly superior products when it comes to cost, firepower, weight, functionality, reliability, and ergonomics. Has the military decided to disregard all of that this entire time, or are there politics involved in all of this?
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:53 pm to bapple
LOL
Here's your "data":
1) E3 bolt
2) carbon cutter bolt carrier
3) dual spring ejector
4) ambi lower
5) rail system
6) pressure reduction system
7) lightweight barrel
8) quality control
9) reputable manufacturer who has been developing the SR-25 platform
Here's your "data":
1) E3 bolt
2) carbon cutter bolt carrier
3) dual spring ejector
4) ambi lower
5) rail system
6) pressure reduction system
7) lightweight barrel
8) quality control
9) reputable manufacturer who has been developing the SR-25 platform
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:53 pm to dnm3305
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Really? Explain why the military is only now moving away from Beretta M9's despite there being vastly superior products when it comes to cost, firepower, weight, functionality, reliability, and ergonomics. Has the military decided to disregard all of that this entire time, or are there politics involved in all of this?
OMG "RED HERRING"!
Politics are involved.
They were likely resistant to change due to the supply line of parts, etc.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:00 pm to rungunz
Nice data. Thanks.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:10 pm to bapple
If I have to explain that my recs are based on my opinion, then I think we have bigger problems.
This whole shite storm of a thread is based on opinion.
There are an infinitesimally small number of objective controlled "scientific" studies performed in the realm of firearms.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:21 pm to rungunz
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Please, tell me more about how that Noveske in your sig was worth $1,500 over an equivalent from BCM.
You are talking to the guy that bought it because I am fan of the company. I have never made the claim that it is God's rifle or better than anything else. You don't know why I bought it and yet you claim you know why I did. I fully recognize that it isnt sprinkled with voodoo magic or that it does anything a BCM won't do. Hell, I even shite on the company sometime because they put a phosphated BCG in a $2600 gun when a nitrided one from their website is only $40 more than the phosphated. Also it doesn't come with a hard case. Also they put an ALG trigger in it instead of a Geissele.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:06 am to ChatRabbit77
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You are talking to the guy that bought it because I am fan of the company. I have never made the claim that it is God's rifle or better than anything else. You don't know why I bought it and yet you claim you know why I did. I fully recognize that it isnt sprinkled with voodoo magic or that it does anything a BCM won't do. Hell, I even shite on the company sometime because they put a phosphated BCG in a $2600 gun when a nitrided one from their website is only $40 more than the phosphated. Also it doesn't come with a hard case. Also they put an ALG trigger in it instead of a Geissele.
Don't forget your DPMS LPK
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:31 am to LSUTIGERTAILG8ER
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I know there is an AR thread with 1000 pages on this...
but i would like some insight on these .308 ARs
Thoughts on these:
Sig 716 Patrol
S&W M&P 10
DMPS GII Recon
Remington R25
To get bac on topic, I wouldn't over look the Armalite Tac series rifles. The offer a great value to the consumer IMHO.
Keymod hand guard
Ambi lower
AXTS charging handle
Adjustable gas block
Magpul butt stock, pistol grip, and MBUS
And no more proprietary mag.
Price will range from 1600-1700 from what I've seen depending on barrel length (16,18,20")
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