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Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:10 am
Looking to maybe reload, first as a hobby and secondly to be able to shoot more.
Lee single stage or turret?
Are the kits good enough? Do y'all prefer electronic scales?
Where to skimp and where to spend money?
Lee single stage or turret?
Are the kits good enough? Do y'all prefer electronic scales?
Where to skimp and where to spend money?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:17 am to jimbeam
I have only been reloading the last two years and don't do any really big volume. I have the RCBS rockchucker supreme kit. Came with the single stage press, powder dispenser, 5-0-5 manual scale, case lube pad with bottle of lube, some assorted tools, hand priming tool, powder funnel, a speer reloading manual and a case block. Since then i have added the Lyman universal case trimmer, a set of digital calipers and the RCBS power trickler and some assorted reloading manuals. I haven't had experience with other presses but the RCBS seems very solid and has been easy to use.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:47 am to jimbeam
Dillon.
Buy a Dillon Progressive unless you are into some extreme accuracy type rifle loading or just want to punch out a dozen deer rounds for the season.
Buy a Dillon Progressive unless you are into some extreme accuracy type rifle loading or just want to punch out a dozen deer rounds for the season.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:20 pm to jimbeam
Here's an extremely length post I made a few years ago:
Reloading Tutorial
The only real differences from the basic setup I have there is that I'm using an RCBS Universal Priming Tool and an RCBS Partner Press, which is only about $75. I've been using it for quite some time.
Hornady makes a pretty decent single stage starter kit.
If you have any other specific questions let me know.
Reloading Tutorial
The only real differences from the basic setup I have there is that I'm using an RCBS Universal Priming Tool and an RCBS Partner Press, which is only about $75. I've been using it for quite some time.
Hornady makes a pretty decent single stage starter kit.
If you have any other specific questions let me know.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:44 pm to jimbeam
I would personally stay away from Lee products. As someone already mentioned, Dillon is the best in the business. They have single stage presses and manual turret presses if you aren't wanting to spend a lot on the press. Don't waste your money on a tumbler with corn cob/nut shell media. Or a sonic cleaner. If you want your brass looking brand new every reload go to Stainless Media and order their stuff. If you are going to be using a single stage press and dumping powder for each load manually I would recommend getting the RCBS Chargermaster. It will dump the powder for you and measure it with extreme accuracy and will also save you a ton of time (kinda pricey though). I would also spend the extra money and get carbide dies because you don't have to waste the time lubing your brass before you reload. You can also save a little money by getting a press that seats the primers for you instead of buying a handheld primer tool.
ETA: If you are wanting to load high volume for say pistols or ar's I would highly recommend getting the Dillon 650XL. You can easily load 1000 rounds an hour and get completely set up for around 1k.
ETA: If you are wanting to load high volume for say pistols or ar's I would highly recommend getting the Dillon 650XL. You can easily load 1000 rounds an hour and get completely set up for around 1k.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:56 pm to jimbeam
Beam
what cartridges do you currently own ?
i.e. - 45ACP, 30-06 , 223 , 9mm
I'd advise against a Dillon unless you shoot thousands or rds. of semi-auto 9mm, 45, 223, ...
For general hunting or plinking ammo, the RCBS Rockchucker supreme kit will suit you fine. It will probably be the last press you need to buy. Mine is 30 yrs old and still working like a charm
beam scales are more precise as e-scales can be temperamental and drift due to LED lighting and AC vents.
I prefer Redding, RCBS, and Hornady threaded dies for basic reloading. I also use Wilson hand dies which is a whole different animal.
IMO, buy quality stuff first otherwise you'll be upgrading and spending more money
what cartridges do you currently own ?
i.e. - 45ACP, 30-06 , 223 , 9mm
I'd advise against a Dillon unless you shoot thousands or rds. of semi-auto 9mm, 45, 223, ...
For general hunting or plinking ammo, the RCBS Rockchucker supreme kit will suit you fine. It will probably be the last press you need to buy. Mine is 30 yrs old and still working like a charm
beam scales are more precise as e-scales can be temperamental and drift due to LED lighting and AC vents.
I prefer Redding, RCBS, and Hornady threaded dies for basic reloading. I also use Wilson hand dies which is a whole different animal.
IMO, buy quality stuff first otherwise you'll be upgrading and spending more money
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:15 pm to jimbeam
Start small then invest in new equipment after you've gotten the hang of things. I have all RCBS stuff; Partner Press, handheld primer seater, etc. Places to invest money in early if you want to make it easier on yourself is in powered case prep center and electronic powder measuring system. I reload mostly for rifle but I can knock out 100rds of 9mm or 45 ACP easily.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:26 pm to Clames
What setup would you guys recommend specifically for a low volume operation? Would be strictly to work up loads for rifles.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:47 pm to jimbeam
quote:
Lee single stage or turret?
I've got one handloading press, the Lee Classic Turret. I've been using it >30 years and it works just fine. Actually, I think all the makers produce quality stuff. I've got a lot of Lee products and haven't been disappointed by any of them. I'll continue to buy and use Lee products.
quote:Pretty much, although there'll still be a few accessories you'll need to buy.
Are the kits good enough?
quote:I don't. I have an inexpensive MTM electronic scale, but I've gone back to mainly using my balance beam scales (RCBS 5-0-5). If loading a large # of rounds, I use a Harrel measure.
Do y'all prefer electronic scales?
quote:Good question. I'll have additional recs later today.
Where to skimp and where to spend money?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:05 pm to jimbeam
I've been at for 21 years now. My dad got me a dillon 650 when I was 15 and I haven't looked back since. It's the single best investment in my hobby. A couple things I've learned over time.
-Contrary to some, I would go straight to a progressive.
-Go Dillon, they back everything up with a lifetime guarantee. I've called countless times and had them send parts to me free of charge.
- Start with a pistol cartridge, preferably lower pressure ones like 45ACP, 38 Spl.
- Get a balance beam scale, to start and a good caliper
- Get the Redding competition seating die, makes adjusting the length way less time consuming
- Switching between small and large primers can be a paint in the arse, so plan accordingly
- Keep good logs of recipes
- Load rounds to longest length that will properly function in your gun
-get a vibra prime for filling your primer tubes
- Don't think you're going to save any money, you'll just shoot alot more
-So in summary:
- Press - Dillon 650
- Scale - Dillon/RCBS Balance
- Caliper - Any decent quality, no harbor freight
- Primers - Usually, whatever is cheapest, I'm still dwindling down on 50K wolf primers I bought 6 years ago
- Bullets - Bayou bullets - coated lead, nice cost savings over FMJs, no smoke
- Powder - I like titegroup nowadays, b/c its cheap and very flexible. I wouldn't recommend it in 40/10mm
- Make sure you have a very heavy/sturdy bench to mount your press!
-Contrary to some, I would go straight to a progressive.
-Go Dillon, they back everything up with a lifetime guarantee. I've called countless times and had them send parts to me free of charge.
- Start with a pistol cartridge, preferably lower pressure ones like 45ACP, 38 Spl.
- Get a balance beam scale, to start and a good caliper
- Get the Redding competition seating die, makes adjusting the length way less time consuming
- Switching between small and large primers can be a paint in the arse, so plan accordingly
- Keep good logs of recipes
- Load rounds to longest length that will properly function in your gun
-get a vibra prime for filling your primer tubes
- Don't think you're going to save any money, you'll just shoot alot more
-So in summary:
- Press - Dillon 650
- Scale - Dillon/RCBS Balance
- Caliper - Any decent quality, no harbor freight
- Primers - Usually, whatever is cheapest, I'm still dwindling down on 50K wolf primers I bought 6 years ago
- Bullets - Bayou bullets - coated lead, nice cost savings over FMJs, no smoke
- Powder - I like titegroup nowadays, b/c its cheap and very flexible. I wouldn't recommend it in 40/10mm
- Make sure you have a very heavy/sturdy bench to mount your press!
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:22 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:29 pm to jimbeam
I have a LEE Progressive and LEE single stage press that have not failed me. I'm not reloading for 1000yd precision matches. Just plinking ammo for pistols and hunting ammo for rifles. Is Lee the best? nope. Does it produce ammo that goes bang? sure does.
I use a balance beam for throwing rifle charges. I like the Hornady balance beam.
I use a balance beam for throwing rifle charges. I like the Hornady balance beam.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:56 pm to jimbeam
I started with the RCBS Rock Chucker about four years ago. last year I purchased a Lee Classic kit that came with a Turret press. I use the RCBS for rifle loading and the Lee for pistol. I've had no problems with either one.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:16 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:
What setup would you guys recommend specifically for a low volume operation? Would be strictly to work up loads for rifles.
Forster Coax press
Redding type s dies
Rcbs chargemaster
Sinclair micrometer case trimmer w/ drill attachment
Rcbs auto prime
Harbor freight rock tumbler with stainless media.
Or like clames said, buy cheap and upgrade what you don't like.
This is pretty close to my setup only I'm using a lee turret press. Hopefully that press goes bye bye in the next couple months. I like reloading but don't have time to just sit there. Ive picked those parts because they are fast(relative) and accurate.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:13 pm to kengel2
Thread hijack:
I haven't actually started reloading yet, but I've been researching what components I want to use and it can be overwhelming to me. For 270 win most loads in recipe books use Winchester cases. I have heard that case thickness can vary from brand to brand which in turn, changes the capacity of the case. I have a lot of federal cases that I'd like to use but I haven't found any recipes that use federal.
Do I use the same starting load with federal cases and try to work up to the recommended max loads for Winchester cases?
In what increments should I move up?
How many rounds should I load at each powder charge?
My goal is superior accuracy at factory velocities.
The bullets im looking into are Sierra Pro Hunter 130's.
Powders I'm interested in are: IMR 4831 IMR 4350 and lessor looking at RL 22.
I've never loaded anything other than a muzzleloader, so if you see anything im over/under thinking chime in please.
I haven't actually started reloading yet, but I've been researching what components I want to use and it can be overwhelming to me. For 270 win most loads in recipe books use Winchester cases. I have heard that case thickness can vary from brand to brand which in turn, changes the capacity of the case. I have a lot of federal cases that I'd like to use but I haven't found any recipes that use federal.
Do I use the same starting load with federal cases and try to work up to the recommended max loads for Winchester cases?
In what increments should I move up?
How many rounds should I load at each powder charge?
My goal is superior accuracy at factory velocities.
The bullets im looking into are Sierra Pro Hunter 130's.
Powders I'm interested in are: IMR 4831 IMR 4350 and lessor looking at RL 22.
I've never loaded anything other than a muzzleloader, so if you see anything im over/under thinking chime in please.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:14 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
My setup pretty much.
I've since added a power unit to my case trimmer (get the carbide cutting head too).
Some prefer the much bigger and heavier cast iron single stage presses but the Partner Press has no issue resizing anything I shoot and provides a level of feel you simply won't get with the bigger presses. My setup is easy to change between cartridges, removes much of the tedium from case prep and powder charge measuring, and allows very repeatable loads. Get the Lee Factory Crimp dies if you load for a semi-automatic rifle. All my stuff is in storage right now, will be for the next several months until I've gotten the bulk of the remodeling done at the house. One of my first projects is a dedicated reloading bench.
I've since added a power unit to my case trimmer (get the carbide cutting head too).
Some prefer the much bigger and heavier cast iron single stage presses but the Partner Press has no issue resizing anything I shoot and provides a level of feel you simply won't get with the bigger presses. My setup is easy to change between cartridges, removes much of the tedium from case prep and powder charge measuring, and allows very repeatable loads. Get the Lee Factory Crimp dies if you load for a semi-automatic rifle. All my stuff is in storage right now, will be for the next several months until I've gotten the bulk of the remodeling done at the house. One of my first projects is a dedicated reloading bench.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:34 pm to jimbeam
quote:
Looking to maybe reload, first as a hobby and secondly to be able to shoot more.
Lee single stage or turret?
Are the kits good enough? Do y'all prefer electronic scales?
Where to skimp and where to spend money?
If you are reloading pistol, get the Lee Turret or a Dillon if you have the money.
If you are reloading rifle and want to be able to crank out accurate ammo quick, get the Lee Turret or a Lee single stage if you arent worried about quantity.
Dont listen to anyone that says Lee doesnt make good products. If that were true they wouldnt be in business and they are probably the oldest reloading company in the USA.
The kits are good but Lee scale only weighs to 100gr so I bought a redding No2 since its made in the USA. The beams are more accurate unless you spend a pile of money on an electric. Your goal is not to spend $1000 to start reloading.
Redding makes the best dies but I use Lee because they are cheap and they work. They also include a shell holder.
The Lee ergo hand primer is what I have and its cheaper than the others.
Cheap calipers for measuring.
An RCBS check weight kit
A reloading manual from the bUllet manufacturer you use.
You can save alot of money starting with all Lee and upgrading once you get the hang of it. Start with the Classic Turret press kit and you cant go wrong.
This kit is under 200 bucks if you shop around. Get the Lee dies and the cutter for the calibers you need and then you can buy powder, primers, bullets and brass. You will be under $500 and loading ammo.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:38 pm to jimbeam
I don't have a ton to offer other than what has been said.
But treat your used brass accordingly as lead contaminated and if you use a tumbler don't do it inside your home.
Much of the lead exposure from shooting/reloading comes from the lead in the primer (lead styphnate). The used brass is full of it.
There have been guys up north who have contaminated their whole house by tumbling brass in the basement by the furnace. Not an issue down south but the fact remains the brass and the tumbler media have a lot of lead in them.
When you handle used brass you should avoid smoking or eating and wash your hands after handling it.
I used to shoot indoors at Baker Range regularly (had terrible ventilation back then, don't know about now) and my lead levels got high. I had spontaneous nose bleeds and that was enough to scare me off from doing a lot of shooting indoors. Mind you I was averaging 1k rounds per month at the time, half of it indoors.
Just be careful with the lead exposure.
But treat your used brass accordingly as lead contaminated and if you use a tumbler don't do it inside your home.
Much of the lead exposure from shooting/reloading comes from the lead in the primer (lead styphnate). The used brass is full of it.
There have been guys up north who have contaminated their whole house by tumbling brass in the basement by the furnace. Not an issue down south but the fact remains the brass and the tumbler media have a lot of lead in them.
When you handle used brass you should avoid smoking or eating and wash your hands after handling it.
I used to shoot indoors at Baker Range regularly (had terrible ventilation back then, don't know about now) and my lead levels got high. I had spontaneous nose bleeds and that was enough to scare me off from doing a lot of shooting indoors. Mind you I was averaging 1k rounds per month at the time, half of it indoors.
Just be careful with the lead exposure.
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