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re: Reloading 5.56

Posted on 12/15/13 at 10:31 pm to
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 10:31 pm to
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Would like to do 300BO later on also.


This is where you'll see some massive savings.

For those recommending a tumbler, even though the startup cost is a bit higher, I would invest in a stainless tumbler. Besides the fact that it will make ANY case look brand new while cleaning the primer pockets, it also NEVER needs media replacement. As long as you don't lose the metal pellets, it will work forever. The only thing you will slowly replace is Dawn soap and this stuff called Lemishine (found at Walmart).

I love my stainless tumbler because no matter how big of a batch of cases I do, they ALL come out looking exactly the same. There is no guess work with using other dry media either AND it cleans mud and dirt out of the cases without any prep whatsoever. The only two downsides are initial cost and drying time (since it uses wet media).





They recommend 5 pounds of tumbling media (the steel pellets) but I've been using 3 pounds for a couple of years now with the same success. You can fit more cases with less media in there too.

Thumler's Tumbler

Stainless tumbling media by the pound
Posted by The Future
Smallville, KS
Member since Oct 2009
22661 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 10:33 pm to
I've heard that unless you shoot thousands of rounds per year, reloading doesn't save you much.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80765 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 10:48 pm to
If you aren't a heavy shooter, save the brass every time you go shoot. After a few years of shooting a few different calibers, at that point it may be worth investing in a basic reloading press. If you are a light shooter, there is no point in starting now while you have little to no brass to reload into. Get a couple trashcans full, then make the investment
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20389 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 2:12 am to
well I was loading all kinds of stuff, all year, cant do that when there is no 44 mag on the shelves and with pricing right now loading powder puff 45 acp loads are actually cheaper than chooting 22lr
so I have a Dillon 550b love it, but Id buy a Rockcrusher too, it can be used for so much more, gas check seating, swaging not to mention precision rifle loads etc
Lee 2nd Edition is great, and go buy the Lyman 49th.
Also I have no issue with brands, if the tool works I buy it

This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 2:17 am
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:40 am to
quote:

I've heard that unless you shoot thousands of rounds per year, reloading doesn't save you much.


You definitely save more from shooting more often, that's without a doubt.

Here is a reloading cost calculator. I can load 5.56 for 23 cents a round. That is almost a 50% savings on ammo. Then again, I buy supplies by the 1000 and there is a lot of case prep involved with loading rifle rounds. Pistol rounds require much less case prep.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 6:42 am
Posted by H.M. Murdock
B.A.'s Van
Member since Feb 2013
2113 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:47 am to
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You definitely save more from shooting more often, that's without a doubt.



Right, and reloading becomes a hobby in itself. When you need some quality quiet and alone time, go to the loading bench. Also, cooking up some exotic loads with different projectiles gets fun too, then you test them and see how accurate/hot you can get them. Its addicting. One thing I do enjoy very much about the 550B is the ease of caliber changes. Get yourself a new tool head for each caliber and changing from one caliber to the next takes seconds.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 6:49 am
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:52 am to
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When you need some quality quiet and alone time, go to the loading bench.


Amen to that.

quote:

Also, cooking up some exotic loads with different projectiles gets fun too


I had a lot of fun loading some 100gr .380 bullets in 9mm cases since they are the same diameter. I made them super hot with Power Pistol powder and the fireball they make is quite impressive.

quote:

Get yourself a new tool head for each caliber and changing from one caliber to the next
takes seconds.


Once I have enough space, I will be investing in a Dillon. Everyone who uses a Dillon seems to love it but I just don't have the space for a progressive press right now unfortunately.
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
7979 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:09 am to
Bapple:

Not only for speed, but accuracy as well...if a person is not cash strapped...do you recommend a RCBS digital scale/powder throw combination?

PROs/cons?
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:11 am to
quote:

Not only for speed, but accuracy as well...if a person is not cash strapped...do you recommend a RCBS digital scale/powder throw combination?


It would depend on what you're loading. Pistol rounds don't require nearly that much precision.

When I load my hunting rounds, I use my RCBS Uniflow and then use a powder trickler to get it just right.

EDIT: Just noticed you said "not strapped for cash." I thought you meant a budget method... woops.

Well my dad uses a Lyman powder measurer. I'm not sure of the exact model but it does all the work. Simply type in a number and let it roll. It measures it down to the 100th of a grain.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 7:17 am
Posted by chrisman17
New Orleans, LA
Member since Dec 2007
1008 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:01 am to
Is powder still in short supply? I haven't had to buy it in a while.

Also, I recommend starting with pistol, reloading for a auto rifle is a beast.
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
7979 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:07 am to
Yeah I have a green light to spend on any hobbies. I mean I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, and I don't chase women...

Hobbies is all I do...from computer gaming to electronics and plastic models....Reloading is a new hobby that I can spend money on without any repercussions from the wife...Not to mention, I pay the bills!
Posted by H.M. Murdock
B.A.'s Van
Member since Feb 2013
2113 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:24 am to
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Posted by H.M. Murdock
B.A.'s Van
Member since Feb 2013
2113 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:25 am to
quote:

Is powder still in short supply?


You have to watch sites and get lucky, so yes and no.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 9:09 am to
quote:

Is powder still in short supply? I haven't had to buy it in a while.


I bought 2 pound of Power Pistol at Cabela's about a month ago.

You're gonna be seeing the most common powders.

Pistol: Power Pistol, Red Dot, Blue Dot, Unique, W281, etc.

Small Rifle: BLC2, Varget, RL15, etc.

Large Rifle: RL22, H4831, RL17, etc.

But there is still short supply. That day they had gotten 7 pounds of PP and I was lucky enough to get 2 when there were only 3 on the shelf.

I would order them on websites but they never have enough inventory to justify the $25 hazmat fee.

Now primers, they are finally readily available. Cabela's has 100s of 1000s of those.
Posted by soco790
Member since Aug 2011
160 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:22 am to
Thanks again for all the help.

Main reason I want to start reloading was the transition to 300BO. Only way I can justify buying into that caliber is if I'm reloading it.

I probably shoot roughly 500 rounds every 2 month or so, but should be getting some property close by that'll help that number increase

Im also interested in making a few different loads to see how performance is affected by certain variables. I'm an engineer so I like the technical stuff haha.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:23 am
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24950 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:01 am to
quote:

Main reason I want to start reloading was the transition to 300BO. Only way I can justify buying into that caliber is if I'm reloading it.


I also want to get into 300 black out seems like a great deer round for my young son. I have reloading equipment on the christmas list. I will most likely just start out loading for my 7 mag and .270. This seems to be a hobby with no limits
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6811 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:33 am to
quote:

reloading becomes a hobby in itself.

Very true. I don't recall the last deer I killed using factory rounds. In addition, a LOT of my pistols are not loaded by the factory or they're unavailable even when supplies are normal. Case in point, two of my favorite prairie dog hunting guns, XP-100's in 22 Rem Bench Rest and 6mm Rem BR.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:38 am to
Most of my guns have seen about 80-90% reloaded ammunition. The only factory ammo I usually buy (when reloading supplies are available) are hollow point defense rounds. I like their crimped bullets, sealed bullets, low flash powder, sealed primers, and nickel-plated cases.

But reloading is definitely a hobby in itself. I love trying out new power/bullet combos.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 11:39 am
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6811 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:39 am to
quote:

Is powder still in short supply?

Powder supply is starting to get better, but many are still not available, especially the ones I need. Or, I can find the powders I need, but from 3 different sources.....Not going to pay the $27.50 Haz Mat fee X 3!! For those of you looking at ordering powders, consider Third Generation Shooting Supply as they have a flat $7.50 shipping. Just be sure it's in stock when ordered onlin as I've heard their online inventory status lags behind real time.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6811 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:43 am to
quote:

I also want to get into 300 black out seems like a great deer round for my young son.

Good idea. When my son first started deer hunting, I had a 20" Contender barrel made in 300/221 (AKA 300 Whisper or 300 BO). I got frustrated w/ load development so ended up getting him a Savage bolt action in 308 Win. I worked up a handload using a 125 gr NBT at 150 fps faster than the 300/221. He killed a bunch of deer w/ that load before transitioning to full power loads. I never did go back to load development for the carbine barrel.
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