Question about "registered guns"

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1: Not certain on that

2: I know every store is required to keep 4473 forms for like 20 or more years so they probably look at that first (could be wrong)

They are required by law to dispose of it.

Truth is they have recently been caught not doing so. My son is a FFL and his store sells more guns than most. His life is in the minutia of what is and is not supposed to happen during the process. He was telling the last administration was keeping info they were not allowed to by law.

Fwiw.

This is what I was curious about.

I know they aren't suppose to but I would almost bet they probably do. I just don't know if they can access for any crime or if it has to be major.

I've always assumed they wouldn't make you fill out forms only to trash them. Hope I'm wrong

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I've always assumed they wouldn't make you fill out forms only to trash them

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The FFL has to keep the forms for as long as they remain in business.

If they shut down they are required to turn them over to government. Now do they make list when this happens? Its the government, so probably.

When you do a 4473 to purchase a firearm the government doesn't get a copy of the 4473.

All the government would be able to make a list of from background checks is how many firearms you have and if they are a long gun or handgun.

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The FFL has to keep the forms for as long as they remain in business.

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Currently, 4473s are only required to be kept for 20 years. After 20 years the FFL can destroy them, it's not on the government to do the destroying here. When the ATF audits a dealer they only go through their last year of 4473s at the FFL's location. So, even if they were illegally recording the info from the 4473 (which some report they have seen) it would still make for a very incomplete list.

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All the government would be able to make a list of from background checks is how many firearms you have and if they are a long gun or handgun.

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They would not know how many firearms you have since as many firearms can be purchased on 1 4473/background check as a customer wants. So, for a given background check, they only "know" John Smith is trying to purchase at least 1 long gun/handgun/other, but it could also be 100.

The only exception to all of this is if you are purchasing more than 1 handgun in a 5 day (shops business days, not 5 running days) time period. In that case a separate form is filled out by the FFL which gives all of your info as well as all of the guns info to the FBI contract company and local CLEO. This is supposed to be destroyed after a relatively short period of time. However, I think this info is what the ATF recently caught some shite about for not destroying, but I could be misremembering.

You guys should read this link

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The Justice Dept. under Bill Clinton, had built a computer capable of checking out every American, from one spot in West Virginia, controlled by the FBI, a dream project the Bureau was dying for, and the quarter-billion dollar computer was incapable of deleting a record. That’s what Janet Reno wanted us to believe, it’s what she told us, and who knows — maybe it’s exactly what she built. We have no way to know. [Note: C’mon it’s a computer, there’s no such thing as one that can’t delete a file, she lied through her teeth, had planned this all along].

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It’s worse than that. Multiple federal sources have revealed that the information checking infrastructure of the NICS system, and its interconnected NCIC and III data systems, link with international sources of criminal data. Record destruction is not a requirement anywhere but here (and even here it can be disregarded at will, as we’ve seen), so “privacy” might as well all be wishful thinking. On top of this, ten consecutive sets of backups are made, it’s routine, according to agents within the FBI, and these are sequentially stored and destroyed, over some time frame, on and off site… it’s complicated.

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Absolutely nothing. Jesus you people are paranoid.

And this is coming from a guy who only buys 80% lowers and mostly used guns

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but I don't think any information is put into the system about the gun you are purchasing.

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The only thing that the FBI (NICS system) records is the type of gun (pistol, rifle, other)

If you want to avoid all of this, just get a CCL or your states equivalent, assuming that it is exempt from background checks when buying firearms. I am in MS, and I have a firearms permit (MS equivalent of a CCL). If you have one, you just show the FFL, and they are not required to call anything in, and can sell it just as if it was a box of bullets.