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Permit-less bill rejected by House

Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:22 pm
Posted by LSUlefty
Youngsville, LA
Member since Dec 2007
26450 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:22 pm
Pay for your permit boys.

LINK
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65044 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:39 pm to
These backwards fricks in this state. I swear
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28343 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:43 pm to
Yeah no way those shitbirds were going to let a revenue stream go away.
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:45 pm to
Well yet, the gov had time to sign in the gay bill.

Now you guys with little girls can have a man use the same bathroom at the same time.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5860 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 4:53 pm to
Dawg is thrilled, I imagine.
Posted by Pepperidge
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
4313 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 6:03 pm to
No doubt...
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134860 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 6:15 pm to
Eh, I would have gotten one anyway
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 6:53 pm to
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Dawg is thrilled, I imagine.
Your post is pretty much a re-run of your other posts on this topic (i.e. not overly mature). Remind me again of your age -- it's 19, isn't it ?

It's a safe bet that you didn't go down to the legislature to testify on behalf of the bill. And I didn't go down to testify against it. Nor did I call or write any representatives asking them to vote against it.

I posted here weeks ago that this exact bill was killed unanimously, in committee, in the two previous sessions. It was killed by the Louisiana Sheriff's Association, and others. I'm not sure why you expected any different result this year.

Today this bill was again killed - unanimously (Democrats and Republicans) - in committee. I guess all those Democrats and Republicans are in cahoots with the State Police.

The article linked by the OP said:
quote:

Rep. Barry Ivey [previous sponsor of identical bills], a Baton Rouge Republican, met unanimous disapproval Wednesday with no discussion from the House criminal justice panel ......
I understand your desire to carry without a license. I'm sure there are other teenagers who would like to do so as well. But there are other groups (including law enforcement), who hold a different view, for different reasons. I happen to consider their reasons to be more valid. Sorry you and I disagree.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to post that my opinion is based on a profit motive. Apparently I can't change their ignorance. As I have noted before, all I can do is explain it to them -- I can't understand it for them.

But I will make an offer to you - and only you. (Not to the next group who will ask for the same deal.) When you reach the age of 21, I'll let you attend my class at no charge. Then you'll be able to apply for a permit (assuming you pass the class), and you'll be able to post a review (good or bad - that's up to you) based on actual personal knowledge and experience. That's about the best I can do.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5860 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:43 pm to
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Your post is pretty much a re-run of your other posts on this topic (i.e. not overly mature). Remind me again of your age -- it's 19, isn't it ?

Age is not an indication of maturity.
quote:

It's a safe bet that you didn't go down to the legislature to testify on behalf of the bill. And I didn't go down to testify against it. Nor did I call or write any representatives asking them to vote against it.

I did make a phone call.
quote:

I posted here weeks ago that this exact bill was killed unanimously, in committee, in the two previous sessions. It was killed by the Louisiana Sheriff's Association, and others. I'm not sure why you expected any different result this year.

Today this bill was again killed - unanimously (Democrats and Republicans) - in committee. I guess all those Democrats and Republicans are in cahoots with the State Police

Color me shocked, the government was scared of losing revenue and allowing people to have the freedoms they deserve?
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I understand your desire to carry without a license. I'm sure there are other teenagers who would like to do so as well. But there are other groups (including law enforcement), who hold a different view, for different reasons. I happen to consider their reasons to be more valid. Sorry you and I disagree

This is not about me, it is about everyone. People should not need a permit to carry a gun. States that allow permitless carry have not seen a rise in crime.
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But I will make an offer to you - and only you. (Not to the next group who will ask for the same deal.) When you reach the age of 21, I'll let you attend my class at no charge. 

Hopefully permitless carry happens by then and I won't need to.

Posted by CP3
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
7404 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:45 pm to
I hope they pass this soon.

Not so I don't need a permit, but solely so you can't make money off people.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:59 pm to
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I hope they pass this soon.

Not so I don't need a permit, but solely so you can't make money off people.


You really know how to hurt a guy.

How would I be able to afford my Gulfstream GVI ?
And my Rolls Royce?
And my summer home in Switzerland?

Bunch of cold-hearted people on this board.
Posted by swanny297
NELA
Member since Oct 2013
2189 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:20 pm to
Moms Demand Action had more presence at this hearing than people supporting the bill
Posted by maisweh
Member since Jan 2014
4063 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 6:20 am to
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Moms Demand Action had more presence at this hearing than people supporting the bill


because most people had to work. I'm guessing Moms didn't.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:13 am to
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I understand your desire to carry without a license.


If you think a license stops people who want to carry from carrying, you're sadly mistaken. What's even worse is you seem to believe that people who take a class are magically more qualified than the people who just carry without the damn permit.
Posted by Easternrio
Member since May 2014
3755 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:44 am to
Mississippi bout to go to constitutional carry. You know why? Because it's in the Constitution!
Posted by mcpotiger
Missouri
Member since Mar 2005
6930 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 9:28 am to
Too Busy making sure that all the Dudes could use the LADIES room.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38763 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 9:55 am to
how hard is it to take a class for a few hours, get some basic training, and pay for a plastic card? I don't understand the issue

yes it's constitutional
so is voting
you have to register to vote though, you just can't show up
Posted by Easternrio
Member since May 2014
3755 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:10 am to
Do you have to pay to register to vote?
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:40 am to
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If you think a license stops people who want to carry from carrying, you're sadly mistaken.
Please show me where I ever said that. Your irrational straw man arguments are repetitive and asinine.

Having a carry permit doesn't stop thugs from carrying. What it does accomplish is allowing law enforcement to immediately arrest them if they are found carrying illegally -- without having to wait for them to commit an armed robbery or a murder. LEO's consider this to be an important tool.

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What's even worse is you seem to believe that people who take a class are magically more qualified than the people who just carry without the damn permit.
For someone who has never taken a CHP class, you seem to know an awful lot about them. You'd have a lot more credibility on this topic if you (a) stopped misquoting people and (b) had first-hand knowledge of the topic.

People who take a good CHP class will/should be more qualified - they will/should have a lot better understanding of Louisiana's justifiable homicide statute than most of "the people who just carry without the damn permit."

You may be an expert on these statutes. But I know from 10 years of teaching classes and fielding questions from "experienced" gun owners, that roughly 3% have even a rudimentary understanding of our "use of deadly force" laws.

I wouldn't be surprised if you actually know a lot less about this stuff than you think you do. Claude Werner is credited with telling us that (a) "we don't know what we don't know," and (b) "a lot of what we know is wrong" and (c) it's always good to have some of the answers before taking the test.

CHP classes, by their nature, are not designed to make people expert shooters. They are designed to make people smarter gun owners - and (hopefully) enable them to make better decisions if/when they find themselves in a situation that might require them to act in self-defense (or defense of others) with a handgun.

I'll make you a deal (only for you, not for the other folks who will ask to be included): You come take my class -- free of charge (Zero -- Nada). And if, at the end of the class, you can honestly tell me that you didn't learn anything of value, I'll give you $100 cash to compensate you for the time you wasted.

And, if it turns out to be a waste of your time, and you didn't learn anything, you get to come back here and post authoritatively about the worthlessness of CHP classes (in general) and about my class (specifically).

Posted by 007mag
Death Valley, Sec. 408
Member since Dec 2011
3873 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:46 am to
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I guess all those Democrats and Republicans are in cahoots with the Police State.
FIFY

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I understand your desire to carry without a license
I can carry without a license and without any useless training. Just can't carry under my shirt.

quote:

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to post that my opinion is based on a profit motive
Nope just kool aid drinking ignorance.


ETA: I can sort of understand HB6 but why not put HB4 up for public ballot. I'm perfectly capable of making my own decisions and I don't need my representatives to protect me from myself.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 10:49 am
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