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Opinion on the Walther PPS 9mm (for a woman)
Posted on 12/23/15 at 9:08 am
Posted on 12/23/15 at 9:08 am
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Looking at buying this gun for myself, it was suggested by a friend and is on sale for around $350.
I don't know much about guns other than how to operate them. Thoughts on this particular gun for a woman to carry in a purse or a car? (yes, I have a concealed carry)
Looking at buying this gun for myself, it was suggested by a friend and is on sale for around $350.
I don't know much about guns other than how to operate them. Thoughts on this particular gun for a woman to carry in a purse or a car? (yes, I have a concealed carry)
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 9:09 am
Posted on 12/23/15 at 9:19 am to PrettyBird
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gun for a woman to carry in a purse
The first thing a mugger goes for is your purse.
Great concealed carry article written by a woman https://www.corneredcat.com/article/practical-issues/should-i-carry-in-my-purse/
https://concealednation.org/2015/08/how-safe-is-purse-carry-lets-talk-about-it/
That being said, a revolver is better for purse carry. You can shoot more than one round from inside the purse. With a semi-auto, after the first shot, the slide will probably hang up on the inside of the purse.
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carry in a car?
Get a full sized firearm if you're just carrying in the car - less recoil and more rounds.
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 9:26 am
Posted on 12/23/15 at 9:23 am to PrettyBird
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yes, I have a concealed carry
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I don't know much about guns other than how to operate them.
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 9:25 am
Posted on 12/23/15 at 9:24 am to Shexter
I was just discussing the difference between a revolver and this - and I think I agree, I would rather be able to just squeeze the trigger in a panic situation.
And there aren't many places to carry a gun other than a purse, unfortunately... I mainly want it to keep in the car. I don't always drive through the most safe areas (for work).
Forgive me, but is this different than a 9mm revolver? I'll have to do some research.
And there aren't many places to carry a gun other than a purse, unfortunately... I mainly want it to keep in the car. I don't always drive through the most safe areas (for work).
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full sized firearm if you're just carrying in the car
Forgive me, but is this different than a 9mm revolver? I'll have to do some research.
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 9:24 am
Posted on 12/23/15 at 9:30 am to ChatRabbit77
Haha, I grew up around mostly shotguns and rifles (hunters in the family). So, I am not as familiar with all the differences between the different types of hand guns.
I am learning, and have been shooting and doing some target practice. My goal here is to buy my own gun, and continue to do target practice until I am really comfortable with it before I start carrying it around.
I am learning, and have been shooting and doing some target practice. My goal here is to buy my own gun, and continue to do target practice until I am really comfortable with it before I start carrying it around.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 9:50 am to PrettyBird
I bought one when they first came out, it was just a really comfortable fit in my hand and the trigger is great. I would get your wife to shoot a few guns and see what she is comfortable with. I've never had a problem with my pps do i would recommend to try it out atleast
Posted on 12/23/15 at 10:43 am to PrettyBird
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PrettyBird
The rest of the OB has seen this post multiple times but you need to realize the difference in firearm sizes first:
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Let her choose her own gun!
She's more likely to use it and be confident with it if it's something she chose herself. Too many men will buy a handgun and just throw it in his wife's hand, "here, use this." This is a very bad way of going about it.
Now, with that being said, something else must be answered:
What does she plan to use it for? Home protection? Car gun? Carry gun?
And let me get this out of the way before I continue: for human targets, 9mm = 40 = 45 in terms of mythical "knockdown power." I choose 9mm because you get the most ammo in your magazine. On to the rest...
For any shooter, a larger gun (dimensionally, not caliber) is ALWAYS easier to shoot. A metal-framed full sized gun is even easier to shoot since it weighs more and negates one of the big barriers with new shooters (felt recoil). In this regard, weight isn't a terrible thing. But I always suggest a full sized 9mm to any new buyer regardless of the buyer's intended purpose. If he/she wants a smaller gun to carry he/she can get it later. But having the "base" for a good home defense handgun, i.e. full sized 9mm, is a great place to start. You get a full grip, a full length barrel, a large sight radius, more weight (less recoil), a lighter recoil spring (easier to rack), and a larger magazine. These all make a full sized gun very easy to shoot. Add on a light under the rail (weight directly under the muzzle) and it will be even easier to shoot with less felt recoil.
Once the new shooter has mastered and trained well with a full sized handgun, he/she can work his/her way "up" to a smaller gun. The logic sounds backwards but it's quite basic actually. The smaller the gun, the sharper the recoil. Getting your wife a tiny 38 revolver may not be what's best for her because they are insanely difficult to shoot accurately. They make for a great belly gun but they have extremely long and heavy trigger pulls and have no sights to speak of. But, if she doesn't train often and learn to clear semi auto malfunctions or has difficulty with the controls, it may be easier. But anyone that tells you a woman cannot rack a slide is wrong. Yes, it is harder for them, but they are usually not using a proper racking method or the gun is tiny and has a stiff spring that takes practice to manipulate. Point your thumb toward your chest, gripping the slide behind the ejection port with the base of your palm and the tips of your fingers. Simultaneously grip the slide while pushing the gun from the grip of your hand on the slide. This will cause the slide to move all the way to the rear and slam forward on its own weight. This is the best way to properly rack a round into the chamber while utilizing large muscle groups (chest, shoulders) instead of isolating the forearms. Do not pull the slide back and push it forward - it does not need your assistance.
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For carry guns, most people usually have a rotation of guns, myself included. But I would say the best place to start in terms of a carry gun would be a single stack 9mm. The old adage that you hear is, "carry the largest gun you can comfortably carry." For most people, a full sized, full-gripped, double stack handgun will become cumbersome to carry and eventually be left at home for most people. What's the good in a carry gun if it isn't on you? This is where a single stack 9mm comes in handy - thinness, lightweight, and maximum ammo for its size (versus 40 and 45). Yes, it is more difficult to shoot than a full sized gun and carries a smaller magazine, but its intended purpose is for carry. It is ideal for this role. Rather than having the same gun do everything, having a gun for each role is better, albeit a bit more expensive.
But, for women, their tighter-fitting clothing makes finding a carry gun more difficult. There are other carry methods for women but I still think the best for any person is inside-the-waistband carry. There are a lot of blogs that deal with women's carry (cornered cat, a girl and a gun) and know more about the topic than I do. But I do know they can be successfully carried this way. "But what about purse carry?" you ask...
I have never been a big fan of off-body carry. While pocket carry and inside-the-waistband carry are the two best, purse carry allows the carrier to put a larger gun in a convenient carrying case. The problem is that the gun is not in your possession and is simply out in the open hidden in a container. There was a story recently of a baby accidentally shooting his/her mother in the head with a gun carried in a purse. While purse carrying is better than not carrying at all, it can be seen as worse with a risk like this. Plus if you've ever seen a purse snatching live or on video, they are EXTREMELY violent. Imagine trying to retain control of your weapon if you're being drug around by your purse strap. It's a lose-lose.
So there's my suggestion - a full sized 9mm. I would keep it simple and avoid some guns that have safeties since they require more training. But ultimately her preference will beat anything out. Finding a gun that has a thin grip taper will ultimately be the most comfortable for someone with smaller hands. A few good examples from the big-player manufacturers for a first 9mm are:
S&W M&P
Springfield XD
Glock 17/19
Ruger SR9
Walther PPQ
HK VP9
FN FNS9
If these make her arms tired from holding for too long, then getting a "compact" may be slightly better. "Compact" simply means that the grip and slide are shorter than a full sized gun. The gun itself is typically still somewhat large and will produce more recoil than a full sized gun. But they are still easy to handle. Of the ones I listed up there^, nearly all of them have a compact counterpart.
If you'd prefer she'd have something lighter-recoiling that is heavier, there are a few metal-framed handguns to consider. They have a few more controls than most polymer guns and are hammer-fired, meaning the hammer that strikes the firing pin is visible on the outside of the gun. Some have safeties and decockers that require a bit more training but can be learned:
Sig Sauer P226/228/229
Beretta 92/96
CZ 75/P01
1911
All of these can be had in 9mm. If you step up the cartridge to 40 or 45, expect a bit more felt recoil.
If she prefers the simplicity of a revolver, I would suggest:
Ruger GP100 (4 inch)
S&W 686P (4 inch)
These are great full sized 357 revolvers that shoot even softer with 38 specials. Again, these are not snub-nose revolvers. The triggers will be better, the grip will be larger and more comfortable, and they will have much better sights. Plus, they will be either 6 or 7 shot instead of 5 giving you more ammo for the fight. If she doesn't plan on carrying her revolver, get her something full sized. I cannot stress this enough.
Sorry to the OB for the length. I'm book marking this to use later since the question of getting the wife a handgun comes up often.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 10:54 am to PrettyBird
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PrettyBird
Just made the connection that you're a female. Translate my previous post to where I'm speaking to you personally.
If you aren't limited on size and don't plan to carry it on your body, get a full sized handgun. You don't know how many rounds it will take to end the fight so you'd rather maximize your chances.
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Thoughts on this particular gun for a woman to carry in a purse or a car? (yes, I have a concealed carry)
In LA you don't need a permit to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle. But for the purse you do, although I am pretty strongly against purse carry.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 1:03 pm to PrettyBird
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Looking at buying this gun for myself, it was suggested by a friend and is on sale for around $350.
They are clearing these out because Walther is rumored to be releasing a new revised/better one at SHOT in January. Just FYI in case that kind of thing matters to you.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 1:19 pm to PrettyBird
PB, I would watch Falia's video on more CC options for a woman. You're better off in 90% of most situations in keeping positive control of the weapon on your body ( ) than in other carry configurations.
Why? If it is in your purse, and the bad guy grabs the purse - now you have to fight him for the purse to even get to the gun.
If it is in your car, and the bad guy grabs you outside the car - you have to fight him to just get free to maybe get the gun.
Now, having the gun on you isn't perfect, but it is better than all the other alternatives, 90% or more of the time.
Falia's CC for women
Why? If it is in your purse, and the bad guy grabs the purse - now you have to fight him for the purse to even get to the gun.
If it is in your car, and the bad guy grabs you outside the car - you have to fight him to just get free to maybe get the gun.
Now, having the gun on you isn't perfect, but it is better than all the other alternatives, 90% or more of the time.
Falia's CC for women
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 12/23/15 at 1:21 pm to bapple
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Just made the connection that you're a female.
Boy howdy, Bap. You don't get to the OT very much, do you?
Thus the reason I was so nice to her.
(ETA: And, PB - I think you should look at Kahr CM9, too, in that price range and for that role.)
This post was edited on 12/23/15 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 12/23/15 at 1:23 pm to Propagandalf
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Walther is rumored to be releasing a new revised/better one at SHOT in January.
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This coupled with a new push button style magazine release for easy operation, highlights some of the changes from the Classic PPS to the new M2.
Really wish they'd stick w the paddle mag release. Guess I'll have to pick up the old model or wait for them to release the paddle version.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:11 pm to Shexter
12 lb trigger pull. That is alot for a woman.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 2:16 pm to Ace Midnight
Usually if the poster is a woman there is a sure sign. She was a bit more incognito about it.
Excellent suggestion on Falia's channel. She gives great advice and is a great shooter.
Posted on 12/23/15 at 6:23 pm to PrettyBird
Bapple makes a lot of good points.
If you do cc in a purse, be sure and get a quality holster for purse use.
quote:As far as the PPS, I personally don't like the paddle safety, but that's a personal issue. You, like an earlier poster, may like the paddle safety. Again, that's just an issue of personal preference.
Thoughts on this particular gun
If you do cc in a purse, be sure and get a quality holster for purse use.
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