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re: Missing Boaters - Port Canaveral, FL

Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:30 am to
Posted by Geaux23
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:30 am to
sad news.
they need to boost the regulations on boats going offshore. pretty easy fix
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:31 am to
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To reach a port we must sail, sometimes with the wind, and sometimes against it. But we must not drift or lie at anchor.

Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:31 am to
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Why regulations?



Because the net effect is more cost to tax payers in these vast search and rescue efforts.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:32 am to
I can’t imagine what it’s like to be in this situation and having to face the realization that you will never see your loved one(s) again... the uncertainty of not knowing what really happened would absolutely kill me
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
53623 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:35 am to
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it's really stupid there's not more regulations to offshore fishing boats.

If you go X miles offshore, your boat must properly be equipped with X devices these days or you're going to get hit with a ridiculous fine.



exactly what we need, more government regulations


Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:36 am to
I guess the only reason would be that SAR is very resource intensive. My counter to that is that USCG is a government service, taxpayer funded, and it's part of their job.

I prefer to chose my own risks
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 12:07 pm to
USCG is getting paid the same no matter if they watch TV or fly S&R missions

Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 12:39 pm to
Yea but its potentially very dangerous depending on the conditions and I kinda get the argument for needing an eprib and dsc radio.

I don't think there needs to be a law on it, just more awareness that those things exist. I had no idea there was such a thing as EPRIB/PLBs until last year. Didnt know DSC radios were a thing until two years ago. I thought a regular VHF and a functioning GPS to relay your position to anybody who was listening was the best you could do without paying for a sat phone.

The safety equipment that's available is incredible these days. None of it will fly you out of there but along with picking your days it gives you a much better chance.

Sounds like these guys just picked a bad day.
Posted by AutoYes_Clown
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2012
5180 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 12:40 pm to
I dont know about government regulations, but I dont know how you can get insured without some basic equipment. I dont know the first thing about boat ownership or off shore but I would imagine insurance companies out there provide discounts and/or reimbursement for safety equipment.
Posted by Buster180
Member since Jun 2017
1455 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 12:49 pm to
I would be curious to know how many people die or are lost offshore like this. The last one I remember were those 2 kids and it was 2015.

The chances of this happening have to be extremely are.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 1:11 pm to
Supposedly all radios come with DSC now, and almost no one registers them. Mine has an external GPS as well. All you have to do is press a button, and your info gets out.

I don't ever plan on going offshore, but will probably get a PLB soon, and maybe some Type 1's for when I'm going to be crossing Lake P. Long-term, an extra couple hundred bucks isn't gonna make your kids go hungry. You being dead will
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 1:11 pm to
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The chances of this happening have to be extremely are.


It doesn't happen all the time but more than people think. There were some people in the Gulf earlier this year that got caught in a nasty squall that could have easily been in the same situation if it weren't for other boaters nearby. Things like this usually occur after a series of mistakes are made or multiple pieces of equipment fail. People make mistakes out there all the time that they get away with but sometimes enough failures happen that cause events to get out of control.
Posted by CP3
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
7408 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 1:21 pm to
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Supposedly all radios come with DSC now, and almost no one registers them. Mine has an external GPS as well. All you have to do is press a button, and your info gets out.


Yeah, but that only gets out if someone is in range to recieve your vhf transmission. Which isn't really that far considering the size of the gulf/ocean. Not to mention if the nature of your emergency is loss of power, you may not even be able to power up your VHF.

There is no legitamate excuse to not have an EPIRB/PLB if your offshore.

Outside of an outlier event or extreme circumstances, an EPIRB/PLB transmission will always be recieved.
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 1:24 pm
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 2:00 pm to
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There is no legitamate excuse to not have an EPIRB/PLB if your offshore

as there appears to be nobody in this thread that actually knows the missing boaters, i guess its not in poor taste to move on from the rescue effort discussion

yes, everyone should have a beacon.
if you dont, this one is extremely affordable and well reviewed. fortunately i've never had to use it but it stays with me when i'm on the boat

ACR PLB
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 2:11 pm to
Cheaper than a load of fuel or two for anybody who fishes offshore. Make two less trips this year and buy that.

There isnt any excuse and sitting behind our keyboards we know that, but it's tough logic for a coonass to swallow. I've spend much more than that on dumb shite this year but we dont think that way. Im sure we've all pointed the boat at a purple cloud and said frick it and went anyway at some point and got away with it.

Of course, going offshore on an iffy day without any electronics is probably still significantly safer than driving back and forth to work. We're all playing the life lottery every day and these guys just drew the short straw that day.
Posted by Dale Doubak
Somewhere
Member since Jan 2012
6000 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 2:45 pm to
Any new info. As to this is my greatest fear as a way of perishing
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 2:49 pm to
no doubt

also, just to add more info, here's how the beacon works. after you buy it, you register it with NOAA and SARSAT. the instructions to do that come with the beacon. each beacon has a unique ID number, which will be tied to your registration. registration is free and is good for 2 years. you'll get a reminder email when its time to renew.

when the beacon is activated, SAR will instantly have the following info:

LAT/LON on the location of the beacon
your name, address, emergency contact info and the make/model/color of your boat

there is a safe-mode test you can periodically perform to make sure it is working.
Posted by KemoSabe65
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 2:57 pm to
SAR being called off at 6 pm today from another site.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
166426 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 3:03 pm to
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no doubt

also, just to add more info, here's how the beacon works. after you buy it, you register it with NOAA and SARSAT. the instructions to do that come with the beacon. each beacon has a unique ID number, which will be tied to your registration. registration is free and is good for 2 years. you'll get a reminder email when its time to renew.

when the beacon is activated, SAR will instantly have the following info:

LAT/LON on the location of the beacon
your name, address, emergency contact info and the make/model/color of your boat

there is a safe-mode test you can periodically perform to make sure it is working.



For a $400 product, i'd probably have 2 of them on the boat if i had a 150-200k offshore rig and spent a thousand dollars everytime i took her out for a spin.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 3:05 pm to
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#UPDATE 18: @USCG and partner agency crews continue to search for the missing boaters with surface & air assets. The Coast Guard will continue to have a presence in the area, but active searches will conclude at sunset.
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