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re: Louisiana's Specks Five Years Later--a fishing guides take on impact of BP spill
Posted on 4/14/15 at 4:12 pm to maisweh
Posted on 4/14/15 at 4:12 pm to maisweh
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I have eggs in 12" trout all the time
THIS.
Maybe he was talking about the STAR tournament, but, thats not even a .00001% of the fish kept entered in.
I dont see how CCA is putting a bounty out. so 12" and under are legal? what came first, chicken or the egg. Are larger trout producing that many more eggs? (dont know that answer)
I do see the point of not keeping 25 per person every time, but ill honest, im not good enough to caught that many so it works out on its own.
I fish every other weekend during the summer, rarely freeze, just give them away to friends and family.
Ill go ahead and just blame The Fed snapper season inadvertently making me keep more trout...
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 4:12 pm to Barf
True... but that same 5+ year old fish has already spawned up to a dozen times from age 2-5. Its genes have been passed on through the 30,000,000 eggs it has released in its lifespan.
This is all ignoring the fact that this "bounty" is only accounting for about 20 fish per year, statewide.
This is all ignoring the fact that this "bounty" is only accounting for about 20 fish per year, statewide.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 4/14/15 at 4:25 pm to lsufishnhunt
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LOL... you seriously think this is the issue (there isn't an issue at all) with the trout population? A few dozen "breeder" trout that get weighed for the STAR tournament?
Trout reach sexual maturity by 12-14" length - approximately 2 years old. They then spawn multiple times each summer until their death, usually around age 5-6. Fish that are kept and weighed for the STAR Tournament are likely much older than 5 years and have already spawned at least a dozen times.
Preach. All I wanted to say has been said re: breeding. I do not believe that large trout have any special genetics other than they got lucky and lived longer.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 4:47 pm to lsufishnhunt
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including their inability to catch speckled trout
I'm gonna hurt some feelings, but this is a major source of all this "lower limits" stuff. Contrary to the belief of many, trophy trout are somewhat difficult to catch, and extremely targetable. Just because (insert fisherman here) isn't going out and catching a limit doesn't mean the fishery is in trouble. Social media plays a HUGE role as well.
I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other re: changing the limit, but the trout fishery in this state is healthy. Everyone I know in the scientific world agrees with that, and when I suggest otherwise, they quickly provide facts to shut me down. I've spent a lot of time reading and researching things those folks have told me, and it all seems to add up just fine.
It's pretty easy to see that not that many people have the know-how, desire, and/or luck to catch trophy trout. Take it from somebody that has devoted an absolutely unhealthy amount of time to studying patterns of big trout: the pattern is somewhat cyclical. There are periods of down years followed by periods of up years. Obviously things aren't as bountiful as they were prior to gill netting and the like (some older folks I know around Lake P talk of flipping 7lbers in the boat back in the day like it was nothing), but I've been fortunate enough to see some truly huge trout in my lifetime, and I'm pretty confident I'll see more.
eta: I also just saw someone suggested putting a limit on white trout. That's it. I'm out.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 4/14/15 at 7:57 pm to bluemoons
Unfortunately, it seems like nowadays it takes one idiot to make an asinine statement on a message board and the next thing you know there are a multitude of disciples parroting the same misinformation.
Last summer was tough for some, but I mainly fish in the cocodrie area and had my best summer in 8+years fishing there. Most fisherman were simply passing the fish up...and the fish were behind schedule due to the extended winter. Same with people crowing about Venice being subpar.....no shite....the last few years we've had high river levels for longer durations. I theorize that displaced some fish, but not removed them per se.
Personally I like to keep 25 when I can, I keep what I can eat fresh and give the rest away. I never have any that hit the trash.
Last summer was tough for some, but I mainly fish in the cocodrie area and had my best summer in 8+years fishing there. Most fisherman were simply passing the fish up...and the fish were behind schedule due to the extended winter. Same with people crowing about Venice being subpar.....no shite....the last few years we've had high river levels for longer durations. I theorize that displaced some fish, but not removed them per se.
Personally I like to keep 25 when I can, I keep what I can eat fresh and give the rest away. I never have any that hit the trash.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 8:08 pm to Motorboat
quote:Exactly. Trophy trout don't have special genetics like a trophy buck, they're just older, larger fish that have avoided the landing net or predators. There are many more younger smaller females who produce the vast majority of the eggs to sustain the population.
I do not believe that large trout have any special genetics other than they got lucky and lived longer.
I wish I could find the article I read about this a while back. Explained it very simply.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 4/14/15 at 8:12 pm to bhtigerfan
Inb4 HIGH FENCE TROUT.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 8:23 pm to Barf
quote:
Sure a 12 inch trout is fertile but a 27 inch trout produces 4 or 5 times as many eggs
and there are 100x's as many 12-14" trout than 27" trout
Posted on 4/14/15 at 8:25 pm to Pepperidge
quote:This.
and there are 100x's as many 12-14" trout than 27" trout
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:04 pm to PapaPogey
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My personal opinion as seen through my eyes over the last 11 years in Terrebonne is that the fishery can handle a 25per limit pretty well, but there's just really no point in having it that high.
correct not many people in Louisiana ever reach that limit
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:06 pm to lsufishnhunt
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With the internet these days, everyone has the ability to voice their concern or displeasure over everything, including their inability to catch speckled trout. Last year was a tough year. The severe winter put a hurt on the traditional "summertime" speckled trout fishing. This caused a huge social media freakout - centered around lowering the trout limits because of BP Oil. Fortunately, our state fisheries biologists use scientific data to establish our size and creel limits. This data shows no issue with the trout population - therefore there is no need to change the limits. I fully believe that you'll see an excellent trout season this year because of the relatively mild winter and lack of pressure from last year.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:09 pm to gaetti15
anybody wants to ask questions about the spotted seatrout stock assessment, I am more the happy to respond.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:13 pm to ihometiger
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"most of the data through 2013" How about some new data from the LaWLF that isn't based on research from 2 years ago (of which included a fishing ban in 2010 and limited recreational fishing in 2011).
terminal years in stock assessments are always highly variable.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:15 pm to gaetti15
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correct not many people in Louisiana ever reach that limit
What? Most people I know limit from late May to August, if conditions such as weather and tides are right.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:17 pm to Sparkplug#1
What? Most people I know limit from late May to August, if conditions such as weather and tides are right.
not only does it depend on the bolded part, but also in which part of the state you are in...
I'm not saying that the people you know don't limit out, but just know that all of the anglers that go out aren't as good as the people you know
ETA: To put this into perspective, there are around a half a million registered saltwater licensed anglers that fish in Louisiana.
not only does it depend on the bolded part, but also in which part of the state you are in...
I'm not saying that the people you know don't limit out, but just know that all of the anglers that go out aren't as good as the people you know
ETA: To put this into perspective, there are around a half a million registered saltwater licensed anglers that fish in Louisiana.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:23 pm to gaetti15
All I was trying to say is....that a lot of people limit out. I'm sure I'm not alone here in my thinking.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:26 pm to Sparkplug#1
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All I was trying to say is....that a lot of people limit out. I'm sure I'm not alone here in my thinking.
And I'm here to say it's not as many people as you think...when you consider the whole Louisiana angler population
ETA: Especially when you consider that many of the anglers that go fishing say that they fish for anything that will bite their bait (i.e. they don't specifically target specks)
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:37 pm to gaetti15
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. And I'm here to say it's not as many people as you think...when you consider the whole Louisiana angler population ETA: Especially when you consider that many of the anglers that go fishing say that they fish for anything that will bite their bait (i.e. they don't specifically target specks) m
For serious speck fisherman, it's a decent number. Those people also fish more than some person that buys a license and doesn't even fish or just throws a dead shrimp out on a jig head once a year. I see what you are saying, but lots of people limit.
Edit: and it's not just my friends. I used to clean trout for extra money when I was a kid. Tons of folks with their limit.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:41 pm to Sparkplug#1
I think I read somewhere that the average angler catches around 6 speckled trout per trip in Louisiana.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:41 pm to Sparkplug#1
quote:
For serious speck fisherman, it's a decent number. Those people also fish more than some person that buys a license and doesn't even fish or just throws a dead shrimp out on a jig head once a year. I see what you are saying, but lots of people limit.
it's an interesting topic...the topic I speak of is targeting.
Anglers that are specifically targetting Specks tend to limit out more than those that are not targetting specks.
Problem is most people won't say they target Specks exclusively
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 10:44 pm
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