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re: Louisiana Game Harvest Survey
Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:57 am to FelicianaTigerfan
Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:57 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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May I make a suggestion? Hunters need to be surveyed on seasons and dates. I think you'll find many hunters, no matter the species, would rather shorter seasons during more productive times rather than long seasons that aren't optimal
Yep
I think we should do duck season like teal season this year. Teal season ends at the end of September. Ducks should end at the end of January across the state. Nothing like watching ducks smile and wave the last week of January.
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Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:22 pm to Spankum
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how is this different than the HIP cerfification that I fill out every year?
The HIP certification is the foundation for the federal (USFWS) waterfowl harvest surveys. Every migratory bird hunter is supposed to register with HIP, we send the USFWS the names and addresses of everyone that registers, and they use that database to select a sample of migratory bird hunters to receive the survey.
This is the Louisiana Big and Small Game Harvest Survey. From a database of ALL hunting license holders (not just migratory birds), a 6% sample is selected to receive the survey, and it asks about all species ..... deer, turkey, hogs, rabbits, etc.
This current study is comparing the harvest estimates we get from that 6% random mail-out to the estimates from an e-mail sample. If they are the same (like they were for the 2015 Waterfowl Hunter Survey), then we can consider scrapping the mail-out survey and save a lot of money (your money).
Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:36 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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May I make a suggestion? Hunters need to be surveyed on seasons and dates.
They have been, a number of times. 2005, 2010, 2012, 2013, and 2015. On those surveys, questions on season length, timing, zones, bag limits, etc. have been asked. And what we primarily find is that hunters do NOT speak with one voice on virtually anything.
Groups of hunters in NW and SW Louisiana want earlier seasons, saying that January hunt days are worthless.
Groups of hunters in the rice prairies and the woods of NE LA want later seasons say exactly the opposite, that they have no birds until mid-December.
There is a growing group of hunters that prefer to hunt when we traditionally have the split because those are good "flight" or migration days.
Very few hunters have expressed a desire for shorter seasons or lower bag limits, but most everyone wants something "different" based on their local situation. And we have made some changes, and those don't satisfy either ...... like the new East Zone boundary where rice-field hunters got later seasons.
One of the best examples is the new West Zone created in 2012 by splitting the old West Zone into a West Zone and a Coastal Zone. Hunters supported the new zone in NW LA so they could have separate seasons from the coastal guys. It made sense. NW LA is reservoirs and piney woods, different from coastal marshes and prairies and the MAV hardwoods and swamps. But after we made the new zone, we found out that some hunters supported it so they could have LATER seasons and other supported it so they could have EARLIER seasons. And guess what? For the last 2 seasons, the best compromise was (is) to have the same season dates as the Coastal Zone.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:39 pm to Lreynolds
Just a heads-up.
If you were not one of the 6% to receive the random mail-out survey and you did NOT receive the e-mail survey, then it means you do not have an e-mail address in your LDWF license file.
If you want to fix that to be eligible to receive future e-mail surveys, you can go to: LINK and update your contact information.
If you were not one of the 6% to receive the random mail-out survey and you did NOT receive the e-mail survey, then it means you do not have an e-mail address in your LDWF license file.
If you want to fix that to be eligible to receive future e-mail surveys, you can go to: LINK and update your contact information.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:25 pm to Lreynolds
I was more so talking about big game hunters but either way I love that there are people out there taking the pulse of hunters and paying attention to it
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:46 pm to LSUballs
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I was pretty disappointed with the 2016-2017 Clapper Rail harvest. Worst I've seen in years. Reminded me of the Gallinule shortage of 07...
You must be a young pup because nothing was as bad as the snipe seasons back in the mid-80's. I mean I can't count the nights during those seasons where I stared at that fifth of Southern Comfort swearing I was ready to sell my snipe calls.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 4:55 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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I was more so talking about big game hunters but either way I love that there are people out there taking the pulse of hunters and paying attention to it
Ahhhh, OK. You exposed my one-dimensional mind ....
This is my first foray outside of waterfowl-hunter surveys. Conceptually, the goal is the same: get the best harvest estimates for the least amount of $$. But I was indeed seeing feathers and not fur in interpreting your comment.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 6:34 pm to Lreynolds
What for? So LDWF can do next to nothing, other than flying over some marsh and counting ducks, to improve waterfowl hunting in Louisiana compared to almost all other states in the flyway?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 7:02 pm to Lreynolds
I think the season lengths are good, but I personally would like to see the deer season pushed back to start a month later. We have so many spotted fawns in late October and even in November. Push it back to start November 1 and go through Feb.....Turkey season starts too early also IMO
Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:21 pm to Lreynolds
Thank you for your explanation.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:34 pm to cajun12
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I think the season lengths are good, but I personally would like to see the deer season pushed back to start a month later. We have so many spotted fawns in late October and even in November.
October buck only, then November be either sex for first two weeks.
Have rifle open 2nd week of December and run through Jan and then have a 2 week bow season in Feb
(Specifically talking about Area 4)
I do like the new changes on limits. Hope to see it last 5-10 years and see what the results are
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:45 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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What for? So LDWF can do next to nothing, other than flying over some marsh and counting ducks, to improve waterfowl hunting in Louisiana compared to almost all other states in the flyway?
If you are sincerely asking "What for?", then re-read the original post in the thread. The ultimate goal is to justify/support a more cost-effective method of getting the harvest data to maintain an open waterfowl season. Regardless of the quality of hunting, migratory bird seasons are CLOSED unless scientifically defensible data can justify them being opened. Aerial waterfowl surveys, duck banding, and harvest surveys don't do anything to improve the quality of your hunting. They are simply required to provide legal justification for having an open season in the first place, and for monitoring changes in populations distribution, large-scale habitat use, survival rates, harvest rates, hunter activity, etc. that lead to increases (wood duck, canvasback, bluewing, white-fronts and snow goose) or decreases (mottled duck and pintail) in hunting opportunity. Consequently, we would like to do them as cost-effectively as possible.
Now ...... If all you really wanted to do was publicly gripe that LDWF doesn't do enough (or hardly anything) to improve the quality of you duck hunting, then carry on. This research project has nothing to do with that, one way or the other.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 7:54 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:23 am to Lreynolds
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If all you really wanted to do was publicly gripe that LDWF doesn't do enough
as opposed to privately griping?
Also the rampant usage of the pronoun "you" and "your" in your comment is off base. It's supposed to read as "our" "us" or "we".
And don't worry about
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legal justification for having an open season in the first place
I'm sure your political buddies that illegally hunt on a certain CENLA Lake without LDWF law enforcement actually enforcing the law out there will assure that we maintain an open season regardless of the duck surveys.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:24 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Dude take this shite somewhere else. You mad you didn't kill any ducks last year?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:35 am to Ron Cheramie
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Dude take this shite somewhere else. You mad you didn't kill any ducks last year?
1. The head of the watefowl program for the State posts here. Seems like a perfect place to discuss.
2. Nope, I did pretty good last year.
3. So, you think LA waterfowl program does as good a job as MS, AR, MO, OK, KS, MN, WI....?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:38 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
We kill more ducks than all those states despite all the bitching
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:44 am to Ron Cheramie
irrelevant, this is about how and where our money is spent.
Take a trip up there to hunt some of their public land sometime. You'll think your hunting a private farm on some of those places with all the resources they allocate to them.
Down here? we can't even turn on a water pump most seasons, or figure out if a permanent blind on public land is an enforceable illegal activity.
Take a trip up there to hunt some of their public land sometime. You'll think your hunting a private farm on some of those places with all the resources they allocate to them.
Down here? we can't even turn on a water pump most seasons, or figure out if a permanent blind on public land is an enforceable illegal activity.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:50 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Been there. Arkansas has some of the most ridiculous rules on wmas. Shell limits, reduced bag limits, and people still bitch. They are gonna regulate themselves into a draw system befor too long. As bad as you think we have it, it's still pretty good.
Missouri sucks. It already has a draw. Ask a public land hunter how they feel about that. They hate it
Missouri sucks. It already has a draw. Ask a public land hunter how they feel about that. They hate it
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:51 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Minnesota and Wisconsin? What the hell? Garholes
Look at their harvest numbers
Look at their harvest numbers
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:07 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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The head of the watefowl program for the State posts here. Seems like a perfect place to discuss.
But my posts are about the current research survey effort, and a response to specific related questions, like YOURS or "what for?".
Otherwise, thus far it isn't a discussion, but YOUR (not our) personal gripe session.
Not that I disagree with your contention that allocation of resources to LDWF WMAs is insufficient .......
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