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Kayak advice - down to 3: Ultimate FX 12, Commander 120 or Prowler Big Game II
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:08 pm
Help me decide on my next kayak. The local yak shop is selling demo models at 20% off retail right now and I'm trying to make a choice. I've narrowed their available options down to these 3 yaks:
Native Ultimate FX 12 in Hidden Oak
Wilderness Systems Commander 120 in Flint
Ocean Kayak Prowler Big Game II in Brown Camo
I fish lots of different types of water (small creeks to big lakes and everything in between) and also hunt from my kayaks. Cost wise the Native and BG2 are about the same with the Commander being about $300-350 cheaper.
Native Ultimate FX 12 in Hidden Oak
Wilderness Systems Commander 120 in Flint
Ocean Kayak Prowler Big Game II in Brown Camo
I fish lots of different types of water (small creeks to big lakes and everything in between) and also hunt from my kayaks. Cost wise the Native and BG2 are about the same with the Commander being about $300-350 cheaper.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:09 pm to The Last Coco
Ultimate
but not in the douchey "hidden oak" color
nvm...the pic you posted isn't hidden oak
goddammit
but not in the douchey "hidden oak" color
nvm...the pic you posted isn't hidden oak
goddammit
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:12 pm to The Last Coco
Ocean, but because it's the only SOT. That Wilderness is fine. I've used it a good bits. Mung's stays at my house.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:21 pm to The Last Coco
I would immediately rule out the Commander 120 due to the seat. The Native and Ocean appear to have a more comfortable seat.
I'd choose the Native solely because I own a Native myself (different model) and I know first hand that their customer service is top notch.
I don't know much about the ocean kayak to offer an opinion. Your biggest factor between the ocean and the native is the sit in vs. sit on top. The native is not self-bailing while the ocean kayak is.
I'd choose the Native solely because I own a Native myself (different model) and I know first hand that their customer service is top notch.
I don't know much about the ocean kayak to offer an opinion. Your biggest factor between the ocean and the native is the sit in vs. sit on top. The native is not self-bailing while the ocean kayak is.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:22 pm to Mark Makers
quote:The seat is fantastic. I know, as my personal yak has a shitty one.
I would immediately rule out the Commander 120 due to the seat.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:23 pm to The Last Coco
Just going by looks, I would go...
OK - like the mounting plates
Native- like how open it is
WS- don't like
OK - like the mounting plates
Native- like how open it is
WS- don't like
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:35 pm to AlxTgr
I sure wouldn't have guessed my looking at it. The few "cushion on plastic" type seats I have sat on in the past were not as comfortable as the "chair" style seats. But I guess I shouldn't knock that one until I try it.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:37 pm to Salmon
For those familiar with the original Ultimate 12, here is a comparison for the FX vs the original:
Anchor trolleys on both sides come standard, hi-lo seating option, gear tracks behind the seat, and additional padding seem like the most notable changes.
Anchor trolleys on both sides come standard, hi-lo seating option, gear tracks behind the seat, and additional padding seem like the most notable changes.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:38 pm to Mark Makers
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I sure wouldn't have guessed my looking at it. The few "cushion on plastic" type seats I have sat on in the past were not as comfortable as the "chair" style seats. But I guess I shouldn't knock that one until I try it.
Yeah from pictures you can't tell but the seat on the Commander is quite adjustable. It's not a chair type seat like the other 2, but its WAY more comfortable than every molded-in type seat.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:46 pm to Mark Makers
quote:It's a chair suspended on two side tubes. It's really hard to get a good idea of the design without actually seeing it.
I sure wouldn't have guessed my looking at it. The few "cushion on plastic" type seats I have sat on in the past were not as comfortable as the "chair" style seats. But I guess I shouldn't knock that one until I try it.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:28 pm to The Last Coco
Of the three, the ocean kayak. I'd save up though and get a nicer kayak. The ones that sit inside suck when you want to fish
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:33 pm to lsuson
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The ones that sit inside suck when you want to fish
The Native Ultimates do not suck
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:35 pm to lsuson
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I'd save up though and get a nicer kayak.
Which kayak would you save up for?
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The ones that sit inside suck when you want to fish
Agree to disagree. The Native Ultimate 12 is probably the most versatile fishing platform of any kayak on the market. It is super stable, lightweight, and endlessly customizable. I just can't decide if it's worth the extra cheese over the commander which is very similar or if I would rather something more of the the box decked out like the Prowler BG2.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:36 pm to lsuson
1. Native FX - best combination of comfort, cargo space, weight
2. Ocean Kayak - great seat, self-bailing, slightly more stable
3. WS Commander - like the Native, but the Native floor is better for standup fishing
Unless it's a Hobie Pro Angler, Wilderness ATAK, Jackson Big Rig or other full-featured kayak, there's absolutely NO use to save - any of these boats will do just fine. Besides, do you really want to wait past the prime fall fishing season?
2. Ocean Kayak - great seat, self-bailing, slightly more stable
3. WS Commander - like the Native, but the Native floor is better for standup fishing
Unless it's a Hobie Pro Angler, Wilderness ATAK, Jackson Big Rig or other full-featured kayak, there's absolutely NO use to save - any of these boats will do just fine. Besides, do you really want to wait past the prime fall fishing season?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:39 pm to The Last Coco
SOT vs. 2 Canaks
Depends on whether you will be using in big water, or need to paddle long distances. SOT is best for those two applications. Otherwise, Canaks have more space for gear, and are more stable. Based on your stated purposes, I would go with the Commander or Ultimate.
Depends on whether you will be using in big water, or need to paddle long distances. SOT is best for those two applications. Otherwise, Canaks have more space for gear, and are more stable. Based on your stated purposes, I would go with the Commander or Ultimate.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:49 pm to Jeff Goldblum
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Hobie Pro Angler, Wilderness ATAK, Jackson Big Rig
3 great boats, but too big for river fishing, with snags and shallows. Great saltwater tournament boats though. Sounds like he doesn't need anything that complicated.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:00 pm to Mung
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Sounds like he doesn't want anything that complicated.
The same place I'm looking at these 3 kayaks also has a Revolution 13, a Big Rig and a Coosa HD 20% off.
I want something light, versatile and stable and the 3 I mentioned all weigh 70# or less with the seat. I often trek 1/4 mile with my yak in tow to duck hunt or fish hard to reach locations so hauling some heavy kayak that I have trouble man-handling myself doesn't appeal to me. I can easily add a depth finder to any of the 3 mentioned, and that's all the extra stuff I would want. I know the seats in all 3 are comfortable. I've logged probably 100+ hrs in an Ultimate 14.5 in all kinds of conditions and regularly fish with some folks who have a Commander and a Predator (very similar to Prowler) so I know all 3 are quality boats.
My biggest struggle right now is convincing myself that the Ultimate or the Prowler is a $300-350 better boat than the Commander.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:34 pm to Jeff Goldblum
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the Native floor is better for standup fishing
Stand up fishing is a must for me, think you would be thankful of this in the Native Ultimate FX vs. the Commander
Also, out of the other few you just mentioned. If I'm not mistaken, that Hobie Revolution is not a stand up fish platform. I would probably own both of those Jackson Coosa HD or a Big Rig over any of the other boats mentioned so far in this thread.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:47 pm to The Last Coco
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My biggest struggle right now is convincing myself that the Ultimate or the Prowler is a $300-350 better boat than the Commander.
The Ultimate might be, but the Prowler is not.
Have you paddled all three?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 6:28 pm to The Last Coco
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Native Ultimate FX 12 in Hidden Oak
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