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Integrally Suppressed 22
Posted on 4/22/12 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 4/22/12 at 11:58 pm
I am thinking about spending some research effort on a integrally suppressed 22... anyone have experience with anything similar?
Dont care so much about the process of getting one ie. ATF stamp... forming LLCs... and so on.. b/c i am not that far down the road to getting one... if i decide to pull the trigger i will figure that stuff out...
i am more interested what is out there and is the $$$ worth it...
Dont care so much about the process of getting one ie. ATF stamp... forming LLCs... and so on.. b/c i am not that far down the road to getting one... if i decide to pull the trigger i will figure that stuff out...
i am more interested what is out there and is the $$$ worth it...
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 12:02 am to bryso
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i am more interested what is out there and is the $$$ worth it...
If you have about 2-3 G's to blow on a toy
Posted on 4/23/12 at 12:15 am to bryso
Not much (legal) practical use for it, but they are definitely cool. Why not just get a treaded barrel and a can though?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 1:03 am to bryso
We got us an assassin here
Posted on 4/23/12 at 1:16 am to Boats n Hose
Keeping politics to a minimum, I am planning on getting a SBR in either 6.8 or 300 blackout before November. I have zero need for one, just the want factor.
I also plan on getting a suppressor in .308 s that I can use it on either SBR that I get or pretty much any rifle I have or will get.
I am calling my attorney friend this week to start the process in creating a trust so that I may bypass the signatures. Also, this will allow my SO to be in possession for when I travel or such.
I also plan on getting a suppressor in .308 s that I can use it on either SBR that I get or pretty much any rifle I have or will get.
I am calling my attorney friend this week to start the process in creating a trust so that I may bypass the signatures. Also, this will allow my SO to be in possession for when I travel or such.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 6:51 am to bryso
I'm sure Red Jacket has made the world's first. Talk with them 
Posted on 4/23/12 at 7:42 am to bryso
I think I can offer some advice. But I don't agree with your Avitar thingy...Clemson 
Seriously think about what your applications will be. You can get a 10/22 integrally suppressed and it will be almost as quiet as a twist on with a bolt action.
The integral limits your options. Are you talking about the Ruger Mark series pistols? Ruger 10/22? Bolt rifle?
A twist on Gem Tech would be absurdly quiet on a bolt action. CZ 452 is prethreaded. Walther P-22 is prethreaded. Different pitch than CZ, so you will need to get adapter for CZ. A .22 has the same pitch as an AR, but don't do it. If you are getting a suppressor and just want one, I would recommend getting on for your AR rated for .223 and make sure you could twist it on a .22 (if rated) for fun.
Edit: The 2k-3K is kind of high for a .22 can.
$299 for a Trust (TX), $200 for Stamp. So, $500 walking in the door plus the suppressor- 22s are the cheapest.
Where are you? I know a small shop in Wall,MS that will do a good job on an integral or twist on. SNS is the place. I have one of his twist ons. A Gemtech clone. He also threads barrels and does integrals.
Seriously think about what your applications will be. You can get a 10/22 integrally suppressed and it will be almost as quiet as a twist on with a bolt action.
The integral limits your options. Are you talking about the Ruger Mark series pistols? Ruger 10/22? Bolt rifle?
A twist on Gem Tech would be absurdly quiet on a bolt action. CZ 452 is prethreaded. Walther P-22 is prethreaded. Different pitch than CZ, so you will need to get adapter for CZ. A .22 has the same pitch as an AR, but don't do it. If you are getting a suppressor and just want one, I would recommend getting on for your AR rated for .223 and make sure you could twist it on a .22 (if rated) for fun.
Edit: The 2k-3K is kind of high for a .22 can.
$299 for a Trust (TX), $200 for Stamp. So, $500 walking in the door plus the suppressor- 22s are the cheapest.
Where are you? I know a small shop in Wall,MS that will do a good job on an integral or twist on. SNS is the place. I have one of his twist ons. A Gemtech clone. He also threads barrels and does integrals.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 7:47 am
Posted on 4/23/12 at 12:23 pm to NimbleCat
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NimbleCat
i an looking for this in a rifle... i shot one a few months ago... i think it was a Volquartsen.. and loved it... but i dont really know where to start my research.... the guy that owned the weapon does things 110% so i know it was the best of the best... i am looking for more of bang for your buck..
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Seriously think about what your applications will be.
mainly shooting at the range but it might find its way to the camp to take care of anything that is a nuisance...
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You can get a 10/22 integrally suppressed and it will be almost as quiet as a twist on with a bolt action.
i like the 10/22 platform and that is where i have been looking.. you say almost as quite as a twist on... i thought integrally suppressed was > twist on... when it comes to limiting sound... i know the benefit of a twist on is it can be used for multiple guns... but i really dont like the look... and probably wont use on other guns... really i want the thing to look like a normal gun to someone who doesn't know what they are looking at....
Posted on 4/23/12 at 12:43 pm to mctiger1985
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Message Posted by mctiger1985 I'm sure Red Jacket has made the world's first. Talk with them
Red Jacket is such a joke.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 1:46 pm to bryso
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i like the 10/22 platform
You're still going to have the noise from the bolt cycling. If you want to be quiet, I'd go bolt action with a screw on can, CZ American or a Savage FV SR.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 4/23/12 at 2:10 pm to bryso
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i like the 10/22 platform and that is where i have been looking.. you say almost as quite as a twist on... i thought integrally suppressed was > twist on... when it comes to limiting sound... i know the benefit of a twist on is it can be used for multiple guns... but i really dont like the look... and probably wont use on other guns... really i want the thing to look like a normal gun to someone who doesn't know what they are looking at....
twist on with a bolt action 22 is quite b/c there is no bolt carrier opening during recoil.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 2:46 pm to HeadSlash
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You're still going to have the noise from the bolt cycling. If you want to be quiet, I'd go bolt action with a screw on can, CZ American or a Savage FV SR.
i understand... the loudest part of the one i shot was from the action cycling...
what is the benefit of a can over intergral?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 3:39 pm to bryso
The biggest advantage to the twist on is versatility. The order is Bolt, Semi Rifle, Semi Pistol. I have held my finger over the bolt on a 10/22 to prevent the bolt from opening, but it stll lets gas out. The CZ is deadly quiet and accurate. It has never failed to elicit an explitive from someone shooting it for the first time. The CZ has a metric thread that will need an adapter for. Remember that. It will be pitched different than a Sig Mosquito or Walther P22.
The other advantage for twist on is cleaning. It is difficult to clean an integral because most of the rifle ones that I have seen do not disassemble. So, you are muzzle loader cleaning the rig.
The quietest I have ever fired for a pistol was a Springfield Armory 45 ACP running a Gemtech with Lithium Grease. Messy but STUPID MOVIE QUIET.
The 308 Integral a friend of mine has is not quiet but not a high powered rifle report either. I have not heard subsonic 308, but I believe it would be about like the .22 when used with sub ammo.
I am not saying skip out on the integral, but I know my bolt action with a twist on is quieter than an integral 10/22 having placed both side by side. Think of snapping your fingers and that is the volume. You can hear the firing pin striking the .22 rim.
The other advantage for twist on is cleaning. It is difficult to clean an integral because most of the rifle ones that I have seen do not disassemble. So, you are muzzle loader cleaning the rig.
The quietest I have ever fired for a pistol was a Springfield Armory 45 ACP running a Gemtech with Lithium Grease. Messy but STUPID MOVIE QUIET.
The 308 Integral a friend of mine has is not quiet but not a high powered rifle report either. I have not heard subsonic 308, but I believe it would be about like the .22 when used with sub ammo.
I am not saying skip out on the integral, but I know my bolt action with a twist on is quieter than an integral 10/22 having placed both side by side. Think of snapping your fingers and that is the volume. You can hear the firing pin striking the .22 rim.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 6:41 pm to bryso
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how do you know that it is prethreaded?
I own one (sorry no pics).
It is called a CZ 452 American.
Edit: I will be back home on Wed/Thurs. Can take pics then if you need to see the thread and pitch difference.
Edit Edit: I looked through the manual. It does not show the American as threaded for a sound moderator. Maybe I have the LUX? Anyway. I have to produce the pictures now to prove I am not a liar. Regardless, I have a CZ that came prethreaded. It was/is a metric thread and I had to purchase an adapter crossover to fit the .22 pitch.
Page 18 in manual
Adapter for Universal Pitch of most .22 cal suppressors.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 4/23/12 at 7:56 pm to NimbleCat
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have to produce the pictures now to prove I am not a liar.
im not accusing man... i just wanna learn.. you sound like you know a lot.. watch out for this thread.. i will likely bump it a lot in the future...
Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:23 pm to bryso
No problem. I thought I purchased a 452 American. At least this was my recollection of it from my conversations with the darned "Gun Salesman" . I may have the LUX, since gun salesmen don't know jack. Frankly, I never looked at the box again after I took it out in 2007.
As far as the integral vs twist on. I went through the same thought processes you are likely going through. If I had to do it over, I would likely buy a 5.56 suppressor and twist it on a .22 when I wanted. It might be a tad bit louder due to more escaping gas. But, the 5.56 (which I don't own) would be a nice accessory. I think I am going to get a 300 win mag suppressor next. A friend of mine has one and I need to hear it again before I make the decision.
. I may have the LUX, since gun salesmen don't know jack. Frankly, I never looked at the box again after I took it out in 2007. As far as the integral vs twist on. I went through the same thought processes you are likely going through. If I had to do it over, I would likely buy a 5.56 suppressor and twist it on a .22 when I wanted. It might be a tad bit louder due to more escaping gas. But, the 5.56 (which I don't own) would be a nice accessory. I think I am going to get a 300 win mag suppressor next. A friend of mine has one and I need to hear it again before I make the decision.
Posted on 4/24/12 at 9:02 am to NimbleCat
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NimbleCat
ok i talked with my buddy... this is what he has.. and i shot a few months ago...
LINK
I think all said and done you are at 2k.... which is out of control....
I really like your ideas of the screw on because i can move it around to other weapon platforms... i would love to have a p22 or M&P 15-22 one day...
correct me if i am wrong but the guy i know explained a suppressor to me in two parts... 1) the bang from gas escaping the gun and 2) the crack made as it breaks the sound barrier.... so will a 5.56 will still be loud based solely on the fact that it is not subsonic ammo? If that is the case then it really isnt worth the extra money to me.... if all it will do is get it down to a .22 sound level....
Also i have done some reading that says shooting .22 out of a 5.56 suppressor isn't a good idea because of the lead build up from a dirty rimfire round... any truth to that?
This post was edited on 4/24/12 at 9:03 am
Posted on 4/24/12 at 9:05 am to bryso
You need subsonic rounds for a very quiet setup. Supersonic rounds are still pretty quiet though.
Posted on 4/24/12 at 10:19 am to bryso
The 5.56 won't get any dirtier than the .22 suppressor will. They do get dirty, but you won't be running grease through it or shooting it "wet".
If you really have a desire for that intregral, call Dave at SNS. SNS
https://s-n-sshootingsupplies.com/2nd_page.html
Integral for $750
If you really have a desire for that intregral, call Dave at SNS. SNS
https://s-n-sshootingsupplies.com/2nd_page.html
Integral for $750
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