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I don't understand the point of this anti-gun article/exercise
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:01 pm
No questions asked: 5 one-way flights with a gun – just like airport shooter Esteban Santiago
Couldn't anyone walk into that non-TSA security area with a gun anyway? Why do the flights? It's not like they're letting people fly on a plane with a gun in a case at their feet. Isn't the real danger allowing non-flyers, who haven't been through the TSA gate, in the area?
For there to be perfect security inside the airport, the person flying would have to hand over his keys to the case to an airline employee, and not get it back until he walks out the destination airport door. Also anyone coming in the airport to help with luggage, etc. would have to go the TSA.
If we reach that point, I guess these guys would spend thousands of dollars seeing how many airport parking garages they could get into with the gun and write about that.
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Dave Hyde Contact Reporter Sun Sentinel Columnist
It started with a normal exchange at a common check-in counter before a typical flight at Fort Lauderdale’s airport:
“I have an unloaded firearm in a locked case to declare,” I said.
The ticket agent matter-of-factly asked for identification and typed on her computer.
“To Chicago,” she said.
And so began a trip to five cities on five airlines using five one-way tickets. It ended three days and 4,274 miles later with the same padlocked case, containing the same unloaded handgun, sitting on a stopped luggage carousel at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport. And sitting. With no one around. For anyone to take.
This is a story about flying around America legally with a Walther 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, the same kind of gun Esteban Santiago checked in a similarly locked case on a one-way flight into Fort Lauderdale in January, before he killed five people and wounded six in the airport after retrieving his gun upon landing.
I set out to see how Santiago got onto the plane. How easy was it for him to check a gun — with no other luggage — and fly across the country? And did the Fort Lauderdale shooting bring any change in how it’s done?
In taking the Second Amendment for a test flight, I found:
Two of the five airlines I flew returned the gun case to me by leaving it in the luggage area, untended and unnoticed — fully in line with the law. Airlines are free to follow starkly different policies on how they handle firearms.
No one questioned that I was flying on only one-way tickets with only a gun, just as no one questioned Esteban Santiago.
Although I was traveling with a concealed-carry permit, no one asked to see it.
Exactly how many people check guns on planes is a secret to the public. The Transportation Security Administration says it doesn’t track the number. Only the airlines know, and they won’t divulge it
In short, flying with guns is as much a part of travel as mileage points and middle seats. No one flinches if everything is in order. Anyone in your airport could be flying with a gun just as Santiago did.
This time, it was me. ...
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About this story
Before Esteban Santiago shot and killed five people in the Fort Lauderdale airport, he flew here on a one-way ticket from Alaska, checking nothing but his gun case.
The Sun Sentinel decided to find out how easy that was.
For three days, our reporter traveled around the country with a semi-automatic handgun, flying entirely on one-way tickets and checking only a gun.
In some cases, we packed the gun inside a suitcase, as most gun owners do when they travel. In others, we checked only the gun case, the way Santiago did.
The trip involved three months of preparation and research into gun laws and airline policies to ensure that we followed all laws. Our reporter, who had never owned a gun, bought one legally at a gun shop, completed training for a concealed-carry permit, locked the unloaded gun in a case and checked the case properly for all flights.
We packed ammunition in the case, as allowed by law — and as Santiago did — but we packed shotgun shells that did not fit the handgun. If something went wrong, the gun could not be fired.
The trip included five airlines and five airports around the country, in order to explore whether the region or airline made a difference. On the advice of our attorneys, we avoided states with particularly tough handgun laws, including New York and California.
With the trip completed, the Sun Sentinel plans to donate the 9 mm handgun to the Broward County Sheriff’s Office.
Couldn't anyone walk into that non-TSA security area with a gun anyway? Why do the flights? It's not like they're letting people fly on a plane with a gun in a case at their feet. Isn't the real danger allowing non-flyers, who haven't been through the TSA gate, in the area?
For there to be perfect security inside the airport, the person flying would have to hand over his keys to the case to an airline employee, and not get it back until he walks out the destination airport door. Also anyone coming in the airport to help with luggage, etc. would have to go the TSA.
If we reach that point, I guess these guys would spend thousands of dollars seeing how many airport parking garages they could get into with the gun and write about that.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:07 pm to chinese58
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Why do the flights?
The thing I find funny about this is, they abided by the law but it feels like they wanted something else to happen but didnt
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:26 pm to chinese58
So how much money did this newspaper spend to do this "experiment"? (on another note no wonder newspapers are broke) They send a reporter flying all over the country for 3 days, and their story to report at the end of is that nothing happened.
What was the only difference between the reporters travels and Esteban Santiago's flight to Florida? Well seems to me Esteban Santiago was a lunatic. So couldn't it be argued that the person is the problem and not the gun? There is your story reporter!
What was the only difference between the reporters travels and Esteban Santiago's flight to Florida? Well seems to me Esteban Santiago was a lunatic. So couldn't it be argued that the person is the problem and not the gun? There is your story reporter!
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:40 pm to chinese58
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I don't understand the point of this anti-gun article/exercise
The point, as in most articles about guns, is to exploit the ignorance of both the author as well as his audience.
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In taking the Second Amendment for a test flight, I found:
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Two of the five airlines I flew returned the gun case to me by leaving it in the luggage area, untended and unnoticed — fully in line with the law.
This I actually have an issue with. It's only happened to me once - in BTR, of course - and it pissed me off pretty bad.
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Airlines are free to follow starkly different policies on how they handle firearms.
And TSA procedures are different at different airports as well, yet he's not complaining about that.
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No one questioned that I was flying on only one-way tickets with only a gun, just as no one questioned Esteban Santiago.
So?
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Although I was traveling with a concealed-carry permit, no one asked to see it.
An airline employee is not LE, so they have zero authority to request your permit.
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Exactly how many people check guns on planes is a secret to the public. The Transportation Security Administration says it doesn’t track the number. Only the airlines know, and they won’t divulge it
Good. That's nobody's business.
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In short, flying with guns is as much a part of travel as mileage points and middle seats. No one flinches if everything is in order. Anyone in your airport could be flying with a gun just as Santiago did.
Oh no! People following the law! The horror!
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:01 pm to civiltiger07
I think the writer normally covers sports, or is a sports columnist.
Here's his tweet with a link to the article.
Some people have responded intelligently:
Saved the best for last!
Here's his tweet with a link to the article.
Some people have responded intelligently:
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Jan? @MollyCharlieDog May 19
Replying to @davehydesports
Person can walk into the baggage area of any airport in the country with a gun. Not a secure area. The airplane aspect of this is irrelevant
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Columnist, Phins com? @PhinsChris May 19
Replying to @davehydesports
I've been doing this since the early 90s, but always packed within my luggage. Risk is same vs someone just walking in the door. ????
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Canes Fan? @hcanes100 May 19
Replying to @davehydesports
As a person that travels with a firearm, this is an interesting report. I do appreciate U kept everything factual, refreshing for reporters
Saved the best for last!
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Joshua Saladino? @jsaladino24 May 20
Replying to @davehydesports
Follow this up with driving around SoFl doing speed limit and yielding for peds. Should b amazing 2 see how obeying laws is quite uneventful
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:06 pm to chinese58
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Person can walk into the baggage area of any airport in the country with a gun. Not a secure area. The airplane aspect of this is irrelevant
Meanwhile in in ATL
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:12 pm to NYCAuburn
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Meanwhile in in ATL
I fricking hate those assholes
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:40 pm to chinese58
imagine being the reporter given the task to take 5 one way flights over the next week all over the country, and you can't bring luggage, and we hope you get in trouble for bringing a gun. And you don't get to keep the gun.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:35 pm to Hermit Crab
Well, I am just really surprised that the airplane and all the passengers didn't die. We all know that guns kill. Why didn't this one just start randomly start killing on it's own and take the whole airplane down in the process.
I would bet that less than 2 people on that plane would have known what a gun case is as it's going down the carousel. Even if the case had the brand name on there people wouldn't know.
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Two of the five airlines I flew returned the gun case to me by leaving it in the luggage area, untended and unnoticed — fully in line with the law.
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This I actually have an issue with. It's only happened to me once - in BTR, of course - and it pissed me off pretty bad.
I would bet that less than 2 people on that plane would have known what a gun case is as it's going down the carousel. Even if the case had the brand name on there people wouldn't know.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:21 pm to upgrayedd
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upgrayedd
I'm glad you did all that work so I didn't have to.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:16 pm to upgrayedd
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upgrayedd
Good responses.
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