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Posted on 4/30/16 at 4:46 pm to
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 4/30/16 at 4:46 pm to
I should add something that should be common sense, but isn't for everyone.

They will consume artificial sweeteners, but without realising what they are doing, they will start dropping like flies.

I had an ex girlfriend who thought equal was just as good....
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/30/16 at 5:23 pm to
quote:

They will consume artificial sweeteners, but without realising what they are doing, they will start dropping like flies.

I had an ex girlfriend who thought equal was just as good..


for some reason, I found this funny as hell...
Posted by TaserTiger
Houston
Member since Dec 2008
391 posts
Posted on 5/1/16 at 3:01 am to
quote:

That photo was taken during the fall migration. Notice the immature males around the feeder. How to get numbers:


BiggerBear, I won't copy all your suggestions. They are all good. I'm in Houston area - 15 years of Hummers. Will add my experience:

Early to mid-March. Check. In fact, hummers are excellent homing birds and will return year after year to your exact feeder location. Don't have your feeders up yet in early March? I have had them stare at me through my kitchen window where my feeder should have already been up in early to mid March. Quite an experience. Day after day. Like he (yes, males arrive first) was asking me why is my feeder not there?

Yep, enough red in plastic feeders' color. Do not put red in sugar water. Yep, in mid summer never let sugar water go over a week w/o changing it.

Clean feeders after they go dry several times. Which can be weekly. Rinse out before refilling each time. Which can be every 2 days. Sorry. That's the chore for me (along with preparing and cooling the sugar water). But clean feeders protect the birds. If not cleaned, you will notice black bacteria growth around the feeder holes. Do not let that happen, IMO.

Get feeders with 360 degree ring perches, if possible (rather than only 4 perches/holes per feeder). Many more birds will perch on 6 hole (or 4 hole if they exist) ring perch feeders than 4 hole 4 perch feeders.

Yep, space at least 6 feeders (if possible for your situation) on hooks at least 10 feet apart. If not possible, still try for 6 feeders at least even if several are within only several feet of one another. You will be rewarded. "Bully" hummers come and go and often get gang bullied themselves by several other hummers (both males and females). Those battles can be very entertaining "swarmfests".

Numerous times during the March - late October season you should see 10 or more hummers around one or two feeders. Just like the pics in this thread depicts.

If you're into taking pics of them, try locating feeders just outside of windows. They only take a minute or two to get used to your presence with your camera. Good "shooting".

Yep, I did also have a Rufus hummer show up one year in November. I took many pics. Eventually I figured out what type of hummer he was. He stayed several weeks. I guess it got too cold, because he eventually left.

Mount a few feeders on your front porch or balcony. Sit outside in afternoon. They will swarm all around you. They don't care if you're there or not, as long as you're relatively still and non-threatening.

Love hummers. Quite an experience with nature...



Posted by Odinson
Asgard
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 5/1/16 at 11:28 am to
Are there many different hummingbird types in Baton Rouge?

This thread is inspiring me to go buy a feeder.
This post was edited on 5/1/16 at 11:33 am
Posted by VanRIch
Wherever
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Posted on 5/2/16 at 3:00 pm to
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
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Posted on 5/2/16 at 3:15 pm to
Hummingbird game on point!
Posted by Tigris
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Member since Jul 2005
12346 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:14 pm to
Excellent post.

A local garden center gave a talk in which they stated that the sugar water concentration should not be stronger than 4/1 because it is hard on the hummingbird kidneys to have it stronger. That was news to me, I've always used 3/1 and most summers I've had dozens of birds.

Hummingbirds have 2-3 broods in a year so the numbers build as the year goes on. And then the migrants show up and the numbers really go up. So a late start doesn't hurt too badly.

The first springtime migrants are mostly males looking to be first on choice territory, usually well north of the gulf coast, so they keep pushing north. By mid summer males are migrating south again. The females and youngsters migrate south later in the fall.

I agree - you need multiple feeders for good numbers. And if you are in the deep south keep a feeder up all winter. I had a Ruby-throated show up in January for a little while and had a local guy come out and band it. He put the feeder it was using inside a cage with a trap door; when the hummingbird flew in he pulled a fishing line that shut the opening. He took some measurements, banded it, and then let me release it. Anybody who gets a winter hummingbird should check for local banders (Audubon is a good place to start). Houston and Baton Rouge are well known for wintering hummingbirds, all along the gulf coast really. Ruby-throated are almost the only summer species from Houston east but in the winter they are usually something other than Ruby-throated and some yards that are well established can get 3-4 species in a winter.






(the bander put dye on the head for ID purposes - in case another bird showed up)

For anybody who has ant problems there are inexpensive ant guards that work well. This is one I've used:
Ant guard

So far I've seen 15 hummingbird species in the US (southeast Arizona is best). Places in central and south america (Costa Rica and Ecuador for instance) have incredible hummingbirds. I've seen more than 50 species in Costa Rica (the size of West Virginia).
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:24 pm to
I can only imagine how small a hummingbird band is. How do they even get numbers on it or read them?
Posted by Tigris
Mexican Home
Member since Jul 2005
12346 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:55 pm to
They are tiny, the band is created mechanically somehow.

This is an example. Mine has a band that starts with L and has 5 numbers following.

Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:06 pm to
I put a feeder up about a week ago and I already have 3 birds. Give them time. Good luck.
Posted by TaserTiger
Houston
Member since Dec 2008
391 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:43 am to
quote:

Hummingbirds have 2-3 broods in a year so the numbers build as the year goes on.


Excellent post yourself.

Yes, hummers are not only excellent homing birds for the exact location of your feeders but also for the exact location of where they nested the year before. Nesting previously (year before or prior year) near your feeders helps to attract them to your area now (whether they nested in your "yard" or nearby).

So, for several reasons the number of birds at your feeders continues to increase year after year that you have your feeders out.

When you put feeders out kinda' matters. More hummers come if you put feeders out in early March (Gulf coast). You will lose a few frequent visitors if you do not. Still, you will get many throughout the season if you are a little late in putting your feeders out during the early season.

So, put feeders out soon as you can...

Good to see one pic/mini video proves my earlier point that even feeders several feet apart produce amazing numbers of hummers. Fact. Do not be limited to a 10 foot or 15 foot spacing "rule". Love that mini video. Put up feeders where you can...

Ruby-throated hummers are usually the only hummingbird from March-October east of Austin/Houston in the Houston and Baton Rouge area. Other hummingbirds are strays usually only appearing several weeks late in the season - see migration maps. But when they come it is so amazingly rewarding. Even if briefly. Yes, I guess there are examples of other hummers over-wintering in Gulf coast area. IMO, those are the exceptions. Most would fly south to Mexico/Central America for the winter, including our subject ruby-throated hummingbirds. Just IMO.

Enjoy nature and hummingbirds.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/3/16 at 8:34 am to
quote:

I put a feeder up about a week ago and I already have 3 birds. Give them time. Good luck.



I had two yesterday afternoon. A male and a female.

Since I started the thread I've been watching a lot closer. I suspect they were there the whole time and I was just missing them. I did borrow one of my mom's feeders and bought another at Wal-marts. So, I'm up to 3 feeders now. I got the two old ones down and washed them good with hot water, a sponge and an old toothbrush. I put about a cup of nectar in each so I don't waste a bunch changing it out.

I'm in hummingbird business now.

Eta: I appreciate the tips from everyone. Keep it going or post pics of your setups/hummingbirds.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 8:35 am
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:43 am to
quote:

post pics of your setups


Might as well see if I can get it started.

This is our little sanctuary. I have the 2 feeders in the pic hanging from the big oak limbs that shade our yard. The fence it's on is our Western boundary. So the whole yard is shaded by 3 pm.

The third feeder is right near where I took the pic. It hangs from the eve by our living room window.

You can see the red geraniums, petunias and oleander I've got going to class up the place and be more inviting to the hummingbirds.

ETA: Yes that's a play house for the neighbors son. I've tried to suggest painting it OD green "like a deer stand" to look cool (and hide it), but I think the suggestion went in one ear and out the other.

This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 10:54 am
Posted by TaserTiger
Houston
Member since Dec 2008
391 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:00 am to
quote:

I put about a cup of nectar in each so I don't waste a bunch changing it out.

If you have numerous feeders and eventually get numerous visitors, you really won't have to worry about "wasting a bunch" of sugar water. Quite the opposite will happen.

If you have the room in your refrigerator for a gallon jug, my suggestion is to prepare sugar water a gallon at a time and refrigerate it. It will keep for at least 2 weeks in your refrigerator. Use an old clean plastic capped gallon milk jug or other.

I agree with the 4:1 sugar water mixture. I always preferred buying 1 lb. granulated white sugar packages because they're so convenient. Maybe slightly more expensive than a 5 lb. package, but you would be surprised how little that difference is. Domino sugar is available in 1 lb. packages, but sugar is sugar so get the cheapest you can.

With 1 lb. sugar packages, it is then so convenient to add two (2) 1 lb. packages (32 oz. total) to 1 gallon boiling water (128 oz.) for the 4:1 (by weight) mixture. Cut heat off when totally dissolved and cool mixture. Of course this mixture is slightly more than a gallon. What I then do after the mixture is cooled is to fill my feeders. The remaining sugar water I can then easily pour into an empty, clean 1 gallon jug and refrigerate.

Next, I will present my Hummingbird Gumbo recipe:

First, you make a roux.



J/K.
Posted by Da Sheik
Trump Tower
Member since Sep 2007
7926 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 9:01 am to
I've got a problem. My neighbor is out baiting me.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38725 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:49 am to
quote:

I've got a problem. My neighbor is out baiting me.


Seems like that would be a synergy type deal.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38725 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:52 am to
Update:

A fellow longhorn breeder who also enjoys gardening in Centerville, TX (Central Texas) posted this pic this morning on Facebook.



He says they are very late this year. He suspects it's been our cool spring with temps in the 50's just a week ago.

Damn you global warming!
Posted by MillerMan
West U, Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2010
6512 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:10 am to
We have a few feeders at our mountain house in Angel Fire. There are a ton during the spring and summer. They are much louder than I would have imagined. Most of them are small green ones but there is a big orange one that seems to be the HNIC and runs all the green ones off when hes around. No clue what kind they are.





Posted by BiggerBear
Redbone Country
Member since Sep 2011
2918 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:23 am to
quote:

They will consume artificial sweeteners, but without realising what they are doing, they will start dropping like flies.


This reminds me, there are probably more myths about hummingbirds than any other creature out there. Just wait until you hear the one about hummingbirds riding on the backs of geese. Here are some:

Sugar/water ratios: The 4-1 ratio is fine, but there is nothing magic about it. From what I remember, it comes from a study of flower nectars and it is the average of the sugar concentrations in those nectars. There were nectars that were stronger and weaker. If nectar is two weak, weaker than 5:1, the hummingbirds will drink from it about the same as a feeder with just water in it.

Boiling nectar: The first hummingbird that eats from the nectar defeats boiling.

Cleaning feeders with bleach sill harm hummingbirds: Clean with bleach. Whatever bleach remains will be gone the moment that you put sugar water in the feeder due to a reaction between the bleach and the sugar. It doesn't harm the birds.

Don't use red dye: This is probably a remnant of the finding back in the 1970s/80s that Red Dye #2 caused cancer in mice (or something like that). That dye is no longer used. No one knows of any ill effects that red dye causes to hummingbirds. However, there is absolutely no need to use it and not using it is cheaper.

Hummingbirds ride on the backs of geese to migrate: No they don't. Those two birds don't even migrate at the same time of year or in the same direction.

Hummingbirds will die if you put artificial sweetener instead of sugar in your nectar: I've seen this discussed many times with the general conclusion from ornithologists that hummingbirds don't taste the way that we do. Artificial sweetener doesn't fool them into thinking that there is sugar in the water. However, don't use honey because it encourages a specific type of bacteria that is harmful to hummingbirds.

Hummingbirds are the only birds that can . . .
Hover. Nope.
Fly backwards. Nope
Not glide. Nope
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38725 posts
Posted on 5/28/16 at 10:37 am to
Beautiful morning for bird watching. I've got a couple going back and fourth and chasing each other from feeder to feeder.
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