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re: help with stocking pond
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:20 pm to atom1505
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:20 pm to atom1505
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She was really helpful, but she was really just telling me to wait until the fall because they didn't have any of that size in stock. If I could find some locally, I'd go ahead and do it now.
In my amateur opinion, she gave you good advice instead of making a quick buck by selling you smaller fingerlings. That's pretty respectable. For now, if you want a relatively low cost way to jump start the process you should do like others have said and try to get all the hybrids (green sunfish) and smaller bream out you can. Cast net and food. You need bream in the pond for the bass to feed on, but unchecked like that they are cutting the food chain off at the knees. You probably have a small number of very large bass in there living like kings with no incentive to bite anything artificial.
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:29 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Bluegill are definitely putting a hurting on the bass fry in the pond, but they have too small of a mouth to go after a 3" bass.
For some reason, I was thinking fry. But I've seen a few of them literally worry a 4 inch bass to death in an aquarium.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:45 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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In my amateur opinion, she gave you good advice instead of making a quick buck by selling you smaller fingerlings. That's pretty respectable. For now, if you want a relatively low cost way to jump start the process you should do like others have said and try to get all the hybrids (green sunfish) and smaller bream out you can. Cast net and food. You need bream in the pond for the bass to feed on, but unchecked like that they are cutting the food chain off at the knees. You probably have a small number of very large bass in there living like kings with no incentive to bite anything artificial.
Oh yeah, I wasn't saying that negatively. She was great. I just meant that obviously she'd rather me buy the bigger fingerlings from them than elsewhere (which I probably will), so she told me to wait until the fall.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 2:05 pm to keakar
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give thought to adding some gar fish if you don't have them, they are very hardy fish and live a long time and will help reduce overpopulation.
I've literally never heard this suggestion before and think this is the last thing you would want to do. Why introduce a trash fish that will multiply rapidly and can eat even some of your bigger fish?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 2:16 pm to TJG210
3 suggestions with ponds learned the hard way over 20 years messing with them and thousands lost in stocking fees.
1. Do not go with coppernose bream. Always needed restocking, reproduction rates low, and size in a pond environment never amounted to much. Go with hyrbrid blue gill, they get large, very hardy, and reproduce it seems year round in really large numbers.
2. Mud minnows, I get about 20lbs a month off the Dunn truck when they pass thru and put about 5lbs in each pond especially during the summer months(active feeding months). They are super cheap and really supplement the food chain in a pond. I noticed I have extremely healthy fish about a year after of doing this. Huge difference. very noticeable.
3. Vegatation, you need somewhere for baitfish to hide to sustain population for game fish. Lilly's, coon tail, hydrilla, whatever your poison have something in one corner or side of your pond that harbors safety for bait to reproduce. It also clears up your ponds and helps shade and oxygenate the water....its a win win
1. Do not go with coppernose bream. Always needed restocking, reproduction rates low, and size in a pond environment never amounted to much. Go with hyrbrid blue gill, they get large, very hardy, and reproduce it seems year round in really large numbers.
2. Mud minnows, I get about 20lbs a month off the Dunn truck when they pass thru and put about 5lbs in each pond especially during the summer months(active feeding months). They are super cheap and really supplement the food chain in a pond. I noticed I have extremely healthy fish about a year after of doing this. Huge difference. very noticeable.
3. Vegatation, you need somewhere for baitfish to hide to sustain population for game fish. Lilly's, coon tail, hydrilla, whatever your poison have something in one corner or side of your pond that harbors safety for bait to reproduce. It also clears up your ponds and helps shade and oxygenate the water....its a win win
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 2:47 pm to atom1505
Where on the north shore?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 6:26 pm to TJG210
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Why introduce a trash fish that will multiply rapidly and can eat even some of your bigger fish?
gar fish wont eat the bass, they are too fast and too much work to catch so while it "can" happen, its very rare, unless the bass is injured or sick, it just out swims the gar fish to get away.
the gar fish WILL eat a ton of bream, which breed like cockroaches, and you need more then just bass to eat them all so they don't overpopulate the ponds. this is why I also suggested catfish, they too will eat bream and perch
gar fish also don't breed as much as you think and all you need is one or two per pond to keep the bream populations in check and if you are really all that worried about them breeding then one per pond is all you need.
a healthy pond replicates what you find naturally in any body of water and every place you bass fish there are gar fish around and they don't over run the place and eat all the bass, they are slow meandering predators that abuse small fish such as bream and perch
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:54 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Where on the north shore?
North of Abita.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 9:16 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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You may be much better off just stocking a few larger bass and letting them eat the bream down a bit until things balance out,
This would be my approach
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