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Follow up post from June on Oak trees. paging Alx

Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:09 am
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:09 am
I know white oaks only produce every other year but don't know if these are this year's drop or next years?

This post was edited on 10/23/12 at 11:38 am
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29273 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:11 am to
I thought red oaks were every other year and white oaks were every year.

If not, somebody better tell the white oaks in my yard because they fill up every year.
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 10:14 am
Posted by FieldandStream
Member since Jun 2012
372 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:13 am to
I dont know but i hope every other year because this yr the friggn white oaks was ridiculous! Too much food in the ground for deer to eat out my way
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:13 am to
1. White oaks produce their acorns in one year, so if you see it, it's that year's crop.

2. What kind of white oak is that? Post? Leaves look like blackjack from what I can see.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:23 am to
There is no every year vs every other year. All oaks are capable of producing every year. Some just don't. It's just that it takes reds two years to produce acorns.
Posted by BIGTIMETIGER
Franklin Parish
Member since Sep 2010
382 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:23 am to
If they are on the tree now they will drop this year.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:24 am to
I'm not good at botanical identification yet.

I am getting better with this board help. You can see the bark, acorn, and leaves so I would hope you can identify them for me. Am I correct that white oaks only produce every other year? I was wrong thanks Alx

Post and blackjack oaks are common in this area (based on research).
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 10:26 am
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:25 am to
With the acorns being this small now will they develop size by fall or is this going to be just a minimal crop.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 10:59 am to
quote:

With the acorns being this small now will they develop size by fall or is this going to be just a minimal crop
If Post, definitely this year. If Blackjack, I could be either this or next, I think. I can't see the pic right now. I'll look closer at it when I can see it again.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 11:24 am to
Interesting facts. I know many say white oaks are "sweeter" and thus perferred by deer. My taste tests concur.

However, it appears that red oaks are nutritionally superior to White oaks.

Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24947 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:04 pm to
Not sure if this is it or not

And BP, I downloaded the Arborday tree identification app. It helps alot although I don't know if that is the correct tree or not.

This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 12:08 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:38 pm to
I was going to mention that because of the leaves/fruit, but considering the area has blackjack and post, I did not think it would be the right type of area. The ones we have grow in soil so wet, no other oaks can grow. Even Nuttall grows higher.
Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:39 pm to
Sawtooth is the correct answer for deer.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24947 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 12:51 pm to
I think you're right that it's a blackjack after looking at some pics on the web.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38727 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 1:21 pm to
That is this years acorns.

However, they are small and won't do much because it was dry last year.

That's what I heard, and thus is the confusion about off one year and on the next. It's not a rotation, but more about how much it rained the year before. Thus determining whether the tree was healthy or unhealthy come spring time when they bud.

And vice versa, if it's wet this year, you'll have a big crop next year.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 1:47 pm to
I think wind can also ruin an entire crop if it comes at a bad time.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 6/11/12 at 3:09 pm to
I know what overcup oaks look like and these are not overcup the mature acorns have a relatively small cap.

The overcup oaks will grow here but only in the wet areas.

From what I have read since posting this, all oak trees will flower annually from Feb-May. White Oaks only take 3 months to mature the acorns, Red Oaks on the other hand take 15 months to mature. So prolonged or heavy rains, heavy sustained winds, and late frosts can all cause a tree to have poor mast production. The White Oaks will see low acorn counts that fall and the Red Oaks will be low the following year. Also each tree has a geneticly set masting cycle that predeterminds that it will have heavy mast every 3-5 years. Trees also tend to produce more on average as they age up to about 120 yrs old where it levels off. Even inside of a specific species some trees are better producers than others. Sunlight, nutrients, water all play a role obviously.

Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 10/23/12 at 11:25 am to
update with new pics.

What oak is this and here are the acorns.





Posted by Nascar Fan
Columbia La.
Member since Jul 2011
18574 posts
Posted on 10/23/12 at 11:31 am to
quote:

However, they are small and won't do much because it was dry last year.

That's what I heard, and thus is the confusion about off one year and on the next. It's not a rotation, but more about how much it rained the year before. Thus determining whether the tree was healthy or unhealthy come spring time when they bud.

And vice versa, if it's wet this year, you'll have a big crop next year.

This is true as well in my part of the country
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 10/23/12 at 11:36 am to
I'm going with Post Oak for now.
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