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re: Duck Stamp Price Increase - Call your Congressman
Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:02 pm to xenon16
Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:02 pm to xenon16
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Just because you own land, you are rich?
You have a high net worth.
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Who else will preserve this habitat? You think 100 million ducks are going to fit on the game reserves?
Private interests. How can you want to pay private landowners for duck habitat but don't want to pay other sectors or industries subsidies? Just because you think it's important?
The breeding ground is one issue. What is done on WRP lands in Louisiana is a joke (yes there are a few exceptions). But for the most part it's wasted money directly to the landowner and it provides no additional habitat.
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:08 pm to shooter35
quote:This makes no sense at all. You realize the landowners are giving up something, right?
Private interests. How can you want to pay private landowners for duck habitat but don't want to pay other sectors or industries subsidies? Just because you think it's important?
Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:14 pm to xenon16
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I don't see anything specifically on state funds, but this may help those who thinks DU doesn't spend money locally
What's that at the boundaries of EBR, Ascension, and Iberville? DU doing something with Spanish Lake?
Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:23 pm to shooter35
quote:Would you feel better if the land was purchased from them? We can't grow new land for the ducks
How can you want to pay private landowners for duck habitat but don't want to pay other sectors or industries subsidies?
What do other sectors or industries have anything to do with this conversation?
The DUCK HUNTERS are paying for the preservation of DUCK HABITAT.
It may sound crazy to you, but it sounds like one of the better ideas I've heard. Much better than a tax on everyone's income to subsidize duck hunting or even better, taxing my earnings to pay people who don't want to get up and earn on their own.
It sounds to me like you have a hidden agenda or personal experience you would like to share with the class... or you aren't a duck hunter at all
Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:25 pm to xenon16
quote:This.
What do other sectors or industries have anything to do with this conversation?
The DUCK HUNTERS are paying for the preservation of DUCK HABITAT.
It may sound crazy to you, but it sounds like one of the better ideas I've heard. Much better than a tax on everyone's income to subsidize duck hunting or even better, taxing my earnings to pay people who don't want to get up and earn on their own.
quote:No, he was just mistaken about what was going on, and now cannot retreat.
It sounds to me like you have a hidden agenda or personal experience you would like to share with the class... or you aren't a duck hunter at all
Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:28 pm to AlxTgr
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You realize the landowners are giving up something, right?
Habitat/Conservation subsidies are done just like all others: Under the disguise that it's for the good all ALL.
Explain how a LA landowner enrolling his land into a program benefits anyone but him??? And if you say it increases habitat, you've never been to 90% of WRP land
Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:30 pm to xenon16
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It sounds to me like you have a hidden agenda or personal experience
No personal agenda.
I've stepped foot on many wrp lands in LA and MS. The few good ones benefit only the landowner. The bad ones are a wonderful example of government work at it's finest.
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The DUCK HUNTERS are paying for the preservation of DUCK HABITAT.
Not according to DU's financials.
This post was edited on 8/5/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:36 pm to shooter35
quote:This is non-responsive, and basically meaningless.
Habitat/Conservation subsidies are done just like all others: Under the disguise that it's for the good all ALL.
quote:Wintering habitat. It does no good to raise ducks if they have no where to go.
Explain how a LA landowner enrolling his land into a program benefits anyone but him???
quote:You really are clueless.
And if you say it increases habitat, you've never been to 90% of WRP land
Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:39 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
No idea. sorry
Posted on 8/5/14 at 1:41 pm to shooter35
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Not according to DU's financials
Back to DU again...
Let's see your stats from DU's financials and how the duck stamp funds are utilized by DU
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:05 pm to xenon16
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Back to DU again...
DU supports raising the stamp price 66% to increase work for private landowners.
Hmmm wonder why?
Oh. It' because DU does the work for these programs and get's reimbursed by the Feds. It's in the neighborhood of 30-40%.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:24 pm to xenon16
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Would you feel better if the land was purchased from them?
I personally would.
ETA: I don't know if this is just not feasible, too expensive, etc. But I think if every duck hunter is required to buy a duck stamp, then the money should be spent on as many public lands as is possible before private landowners get subsidies.
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Wintering habitat. It does no good to raise ducks if they have no where to go.
I agree with this. But isn't some of the most prime, natural wintering habitat along the coast, which is eroding away and experiencing higher salinity because the river flow has been changed from its natural state? I'd much rather see more projects like the one in PAC that's meant to restore that marsh in public areas back to how it used to be.
This post was edited on 8/5/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:39 pm to xenon16
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Additional habitat at Sherburne LINK
And yet to do what was plan from the start.
They still have water problems out there. Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:45 pm to fishfighter
This was just completed in 2014.. are you thinking about a prior project?
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:49 pm to tight lines
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I'd much rather see more projects like the one in PAC that's meant to restore that marsh in public areas back to how it used to be.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. But coStal restoration is it's own problem and needs it's own funding and solutions.
Could you imagine the backlash from guys like Shooter that live in other states if you said Duck Stamp money was being dedicated to coastal restoration?
"This is bullshite! Call your congressman! Some rich jerks in LA are just getting richer!"
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:56 pm to Artie Rome
Good point. I guess I'm talking more about Louisiana specifically because I live here and hunt several parts of the state. I acknowledge that at least in some areas around the country, there may be nothing more that DU or the NFWS can do on public land, whether it be buying more or fixing what's existing. But I don't think that's the case in Louisiana.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:56 pm to tight lines
Not sure that duck stamp dollars can pay for restoring the LA coast. Hell, LA doesn't even know how the state will pay for it in the master plan.
I think that both the breeding grounds and the wintering grounds are necessary, but they cannot survive if they cannot reproduce. That is why I think (no biologist here) that the majority of the money is best spent in the Boreal and PPR. See the source of Louisiana's ducks
I think that both the breeding grounds and the wintering grounds are necessary, but they cannot survive if they cannot reproduce. That is why I think (no biologist here) that the majority of the money is best spent in the Boreal and PPR. See the source of Louisiana's ducks
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:58 pm to tight lines
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then the money should be spent on as many public lands as is possible before private landowners get subsidies.
Problem there is by paying private owners to set aside land for birds, they can lease more land then trying to buy it out right.
Is that a long term fix?
NO!
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:59 pm to shooter35
quote:So what is Delta's reason for supporting it?
Hmmm wonder why?
Oh. It' because DU does the work for these programs
Posted on 8/5/14 at 3:02 pm to Artie Rome
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Duck Stamp money was being dedicated to coastal restoration?
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Some rich jerks in LA are just getting richer
Because coastal restoration = improvements to a private piece of property for the sole benefit of improving the hunting for the person that owns it.
Damn boy you really are slow.
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