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Do I Have a Right To Be Mad? (Property Issues) UPDATED OP
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:20 pm
My dad owns a small parcel of land (25 acres) that we hunt. It is the only hunting property we have, however, it has historically yielded some great bucks (I killed a nice 10pt a year ago today) for NE Alabama. We have only been hunting for about 4 years.
About 20 years ago my grandfather (landowner before he sold it to my dad) allowed his Pastor at the time to hunt the property. The gentleman has done a great deal of work over the years. He has built 4 stands and sows some winter rye every year. After acquiring the property my dad felt obligated to allow the man to continue hunting because of everything he has done over the past 20 years.
My problem is this: The gentleman (now in his early 70's) has 2 other locations to hunt. He leases some land across the road from my dad's land and he also belongs to a hunting club. The 25 acres is all my dad and I have to hunt on. Recently, there have been a couple of instances where I have been sitting in my stand only to have the gentleman ride through on his 4 wheeler at daybreak going to another stand on the property. It's almost like we have to make an appointment to hunt our own property. My dad will not say anything to the man because he was our Preacher for several years and because dad is non-confrontational. However, it really pisses me off that he insists on hunting our land during the times he knows we will be there. I am in college and my dad works so we only hunt on the weekends or during Holidays. It seems fair that the man should hunt our property during the week or during bow season (we don't bow hunt), but have some respect when he knows we will be there. What say you?
UPDATE!
The old man just rode through with my dad in the stand
He said he, "started to shoot". Hopefully this will get the ball rolling 
About 20 years ago my grandfather (landowner before he sold it to my dad) allowed his Pastor at the time to hunt the property. The gentleman has done a great deal of work over the years. He has built 4 stands and sows some winter rye every year. After acquiring the property my dad felt obligated to allow the man to continue hunting because of everything he has done over the past 20 years.
My problem is this: The gentleman (now in his early 70's) has 2 other locations to hunt. He leases some land across the road from my dad's land and he also belongs to a hunting club. The 25 acres is all my dad and I have to hunt on. Recently, there have been a couple of instances where I have been sitting in my stand only to have the gentleman ride through on his 4 wheeler at daybreak going to another stand on the property. It's almost like we have to make an appointment to hunt our own property. My dad will not say anything to the man because he was our Preacher for several years and because dad is non-confrontational. However, it really pisses me off that he insists on hunting our land during the times he knows we will be there. I am in college and my dad works so we only hunt on the weekends or during Holidays. It seems fair that the man should hunt our property during the week or during bow season (we don't bow hunt), but have some respect when he knows we will be there. What say you?
UPDATE!
The old man just rode through with my dad in the stand
He said he, "started to shoot". Hopefully this will get the ball rolling This post was edited on 12/17/10 at 10:46 am
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Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:23 pm to Norantable
I would lay down ground rules, he cant hunt when yall are there and thats it
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:26 pm to Norantable
Do you live near this property? If not and you piss this guy off he will lay them down during the week. I would talk to him anyway though.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:28 pm to bayoudude
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Do you live near this property?
Yes. And My grandparents still live literally right in front of it. I can't talk to him because my dad informed me it is "not my land". He wants to avoid a "falling out"
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:30 pm to Norantable
Sticky situation.
It appears the preacher has been grandfathered in. I certainly think in honor of your grandfather you should continue to allow him to hunt the property but everyone needs to be curtious to everyone else. On our lease (6 guys 1000 acres) we all try to notify each other the night before if we will be hunting the next morning and which stands we will be hunting. And we notify each other by mid day at the latest when we are going to hunt an evening. So far we have been able to easily avoid each other and all get along despite many of the access trails going very near stand locations. This also helps us to hunt safely so no one gets shot and we all know which stand to go check if someone does not come home.
I suggest you and your dad communicate to the preacher that you need some sort of notification system for saftey reasons and common curtousy. Im sure he will be willing to work with you since his access to the property is by invite.
FWIW: spend the extra money and plant winter oats, wheat, peas, or turnips instead of rye.
It appears the preacher has been grandfathered in. I certainly think in honor of your grandfather you should continue to allow him to hunt the property but everyone needs to be curtious to everyone else. On our lease (6 guys 1000 acres) we all try to notify each other the night before if we will be hunting the next morning and which stands we will be hunting. And we notify each other by mid day at the latest when we are going to hunt an evening. So far we have been able to easily avoid each other and all get along despite many of the access trails going very near stand locations. This also helps us to hunt safely so no one gets shot and we all know which stand to go check if someone does not come home.
I suggest you and your dad communicate to the preacher that you need some sort of notification system for saftey reasons and common curtousy. Im sure he will be willing to work with you since his access to the property is by invite.
FWIW: spend the extra money and plant winter oats, wheat, peas, or turnips instead of rye.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:32 pm to Norantable
not much you can do really if your dad wants to be a pussy about it
i wouldn't think more than one person at a time could hunt on 25 acres
i wouldn't think more than one person at a time could hunt on 25 acres
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:32 pm to Bleeding purple
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I certainly think in honor of your grandfather you should continue to allow him to hunt the property
My grandfather thinks we should tell him to move on
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FWIW: spend the extra money and plant winter oats, wheat, peas, or turnips instead of rye.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:34 pm to yellowfin
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not much you can do really if your dad wants to be a pussy about it
I know
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i wouldn't think more than one person at a time could hunt on 25 acres
True, but it is all hardwood and is very hilly etc. seems larger than 25 acres...plus surrounded by other wooded areas.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:42 pm to Norantable
I would have a sit down and begin with telling him you appreciate everything he's done over the years but there is a need to work something out since: 1/ You're limited in when you can hunt 2/ You, unlike him, don't have other places.
I would say you want to continue to allow him to hunt and don't want him to take anything the wrong way but his use of it can't interfere with yours since it is so limited AND your ONLY place TO hunt.
THEN I'd tell him, he needed to call first and ask if anyone would be hunting it. If so it would be understood you wanted it exclusively.
I'd actually not want anyone hunting on it days before either and would probably tell him for bow season he could hunt but after, hunting would be limited to family- maybe let him hunt opening weekend.
People can't abuse you unless you let him. No way he shouldn't be able to assess what's going on so either he's a greedy sum bitch or doesn't give a shite about you all. Be dam if I'd let it go and what's to lose- you don't like the bastard already. lol
I would say you want to continue to allow him to hunt and don't want him to take anything the wrong way but his use of it can't interfere with yours since it is so limited AND your ONLY place TO hunt.
THEN I'd tell him, he needed to call first and ask if anyone would be hunting it. If so it would be understood you wanted it exclusively.
I'd actually not want anyone hunting on it days before either and would probably tell him for bow season he could hunt but after, hunting would be limited to family- maybe let him hunt opening weekend.
People can't abuse you unless you let him. No way he shouldn't be able to assess what's going on so either he's a greedy sum bitch or doesn't give a shite about you all. Be dam if I'd let it go and what's to lose- you don't like the bastard already. lol
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:44 pm to Norantable
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I can't talk to him because my dad informed me it is "not my land".
Your dad meant it isnt his (your dad's) land or isnt your (Norantable's)land?
If the former, then defalut to your grandfathers suggestion
If the latter, you are indeed in a difficult situation.
Do yall treat all stands as community stands and use whichever one is open? If so hunting out of his stands on a regular basis could create some disturbance. If not making sure to drive by his stands while he is hunting to "check a camera, fill a feeder, or scout for new deer sign" might prove very effective at getting him motivated to find a solution to this issue.
Also blocking in his vehicle and making it look like an accident while he is hunting and then not being available (due to your hunt) to move the vehicle until well after he is ready to leave will help motivate him farther.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 4:49 pm to Geauxtiga
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No way he shouldn't be able to assess what's going on so either he's a greedy sum bitch or doesn't give a shite about you all.
Neither of these may be the case. I know many oldtimers that beleive they should still be hunting "the way we always have". It doesnt mean they are being inconsiderate specifically they just have different views. He may not realize that driving a 4 wheeler past you at dawn is disturbing, just as he might not believe in scent control, a quiet approach to the stand, or restrictive harvest.
FWIW on 25 acres, I wouldnt even drive my truck past the gate. I would walk in the entire way.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 5:01 pm to Norantable
What is the term where if you use property for a long number of years with the knowledge of others, you can make a claim on it?
Posted on 12/16/10 at 5:08 pm to Norantable
IMHO, 25 acres is dangerous for two people to hunt, much less 3. I think you just have to tell the guy that he is intruding. He is either going to get pissed or not but that would be on him. If he is a hunter, he knows he is messing you up by riding his 4wheeler by you at daylight.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 5:11 pm to KosmoCramer
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CosmoKramer
Adverse Possession...but he doesnt have a legit claim because he had permission (hunting permission card).
Posted on 12/16/10 at 5:12 pm to Norantable
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My grandfather thinks we should tell him to move on
Have him talk to the reverend then.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 5:12 pm to KosmoCramer
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What is the term where if you use property for a long number of years with the knowledge of others, you can make a claim on it?
Yeah, guy had permission, plus it needs 30 years.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 5:12 pm to TigerDeacon
I mentioned that I didn't like him riding the 4 wheeler to the stand (although I understand his age). He went into a long rant about how "deer around here are used to engines" and proclaimed that walking in would cause more harm than riding would. I told him I disagreed with his opinion.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 5:13 pm to Bleeding purple
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Bleeding purple
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isnt your (Norantable's)land?
Posted on 12/16/10 at 5:13 pm to HeadSlash
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Have him talk to the reverend then.
It's not his land anymore and he wouldn't want to impose his will on dad.
Posted on 12/16/10 at 5:16 pm to Norantable
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He went into a long rant about how "deer around here are used to engines" and proclaimed that walking in would cause more harm than riding would.
This explains a lot about your frustrations with the guy. Riding a 4wheeler across 25 acres will spook everything on it.
Another tactic (as it seems as though you really need to convince your dad more than anything), is to talk about liability issues in regards to allowing someone to hunt on your property. Maybe require the guy to furnish insurance if he is going to hunt on your property.
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