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Diesel truck owners, looking for a little advice

Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:13 am
Posted by DownHome
Below the Equator
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Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:13 am
Figured I might get a more honest answer from the OB than any other board. Looking at some used trucks, one I have my eye on is a 2005 GMC 2500HD Duramax with 210,000 miles on it, truck is in excellent shape inside and out, 90% of the mileage is highway miles. I am not to familiar with diesels so my question would be, how does the mileage factor in with diesels or how high before it would be not worth the effort and money? Asking price is below the blue book value and does have a maintenance history with car fax. Thanks in advance for any help provided.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:35 am to
I ran my 06 3500 for 330,000 + Miles and foolishly traded it in because it was 10 years old and I had the itch for a new truck. If the price is right for you I'd buy it in a heartbeat keeping in mind that you are bound to have to pay for something at some point. I had very few issues with my 06 so I wouldn't let the mileage worry me. Just put aside a little money every month and you can pay for an alternator or an injector when the time comes.
Posted by Jenar Boy
Elsewhere
Member since Aug 2013
12535 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:45 am to
For god sake don't drive it the cold weather.
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
7981 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:50 am to
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For god sake don't drive it the cold weather.


My '03 Duramax doesn't like the cold too much...it has a bit of knock/ping on warmup...but that's it. This last weekend the lows were down in the teens here in N.Alabama and my truck is from SW La...but I plugged up the block heater and it cranked right up this morning like a champ. Glow plug lamp barely came on...

I've had one issue saying I had a injector failure associated with the cold..but that turned out to be plugging it up when it wasn't cold enough...I plugged it up when the temps were barely dipping into the low 20s...turns out Duramaxes don't like that....I read that on a forum...cleared the code, and it never came back.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:50 am to
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Posted by Jenar Boy
Elsewhere
Member since Aug 2013
12535 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:19 pm to

Just ribbing you fella, calm your tits.
Posted by DownHome
Below the Equator
Member since Jan 2012
10117 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:25 pm to
Thanks guys, makes me feel little better when I see the mileage. So they don't like the cold weather like me, live on the gulf coast so should not be a problem. My luck my next project will be up north in blizzards.
Posted by Jenar Boy
Elsewhere
Member since Aug 2013
12535 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:48 pm to
You're fine in cold weather as long as you treat the diesel with anti gelling stuff and make sure you have two strong batteries.
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Posted by Mossive
Member since Nov 2016
358 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:50 pm to
it's just barely getting broken in!
Posted by DeepSouthSportsman
frick Bama
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:56 pm to
You can get 400k if it's been taking care of properly
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
7981 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

You're fine in cold weather as long as you treat the diesel with anti gelling stuff and make sure you have two strong batteries.


Mine also likes the Cetane boost stuff...it keeps the pinging/knocking to zero. Every 4-5 fill ups..I add the stuff.

Also...to the OP...use a reputable fuel filter and fill up where there's a lot of diesel sold...more movement thru a station's tanks means less chance of water in your fuel. I like Racor filters...if you can find them.

I've had mixed luck with the non-metal fuel filters such as Wix...now I'm sold on the Racor (made by Parker).
Posted by FishinTygah84
LA
Member since Dec 2013
1976 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:08 pm to
Duramx with the Allison is a hard combo to beat. 210k wouldn't scare me at all. My childhood friends dad does hotshots with one and it has about 900k on it. all original drivetrain.
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:18 pm to
I would be curious as to if was used for towing heavy stuff by the previous owner most of the time.
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 3:35 pm to
Make sure it has a block heater that you can plug in.

Duramax is better than PowerStroke in my opinion. Cummins is better than both in my opinion. That's my disclaimer here.

Duramax seems to be hit or miss: sometimes they don't perform that well. But when you get a good one, it's solid. Draw back is if you want to do any work on it yourself. For example, water pump in Cummins is really cheap and really easy to replace. I did mine on my own. Bought a new pump direct from Cummins and coolant. Less than $150 and about 1hr work. Lot of Duramax owners will say getting to things on the engine is just not that easy. So that means added shop hours when repair is needed. I remember a Duramax owner telling me he spent 3hrs to do his water pump.

Mileage is not an issue. I have had two 2001 Cummins trucks. One at 200k and the only issue was a water pump, around 150k. No other problems ever. The other has over 400k. Only things replaced have been harmonic damper, water pump, muffler, and there was a small oil leak because a gasket simply wore out. That's less than $1200 for 400k miles, 15 years, includes parts and labor.

Long time ago there was a short production run of Cummins engine blocks (in Brazil I think). They made the walls too thin. The blocks can be identified by a certain number cast into the block. Cummins people know to stay away from those. It may serve you well to jump on some Chevy / GMC forums or Duramax forums and see if there are similar issues with Duramax.

Truck you describe seems pretty legit if it has maintenance records. If it was a lemon you'd probably know it for sure from the records. Find all technical service bulletins and get the latest recommendations for coolant and engine oil for that engine. Keep the oil fresh and the fuel pure. Fuel is extremely important in a diesel - no spark plugs. It depends on compression which depends on good mix of pure fuel and air. Dirty fuel or water in fuel is bad. I assume Duramax has a fuel/water separator. Check it and just go ahead and put in a new fuel filter along with air, and oil change.

Do not put a load on the engine until it's warm. Pay attention to your gauges when you drive. Diesels are typically very consistent (except powerstroke, their power band rises and falls too sharply). If the gauges are in a different reading than what they typically are for same conditions in the past, it may be good time to have it looked at. Also, pay attention on the highway. There is probably a sweet spot where you optimize rpm's and speed, which means optimum fuel economy. The more you drive a diesel, you'll almost detect it by sound. They are obviously not created for speed. They are for strength and durability. Treat them well and they will last forever. Your interior will fall apart long before the engine unless you mistreat it.

Prius and Tesla owners would have to buy three cars to get the miles one can get from a good diesel powered vehicle. Other bonuses here: 2005 is before the last round of ridiculous EPA emissions stuff so that truck should be more reliable and definitely cheaper to operate than the new ones. Also, the hippies with Prius and Tesla cars will come lecture you about the environment. I had a girl tap on my window once. I rolled it down. She said, "your truck is killing the environment." I rolled the window up and drove off. My only regret is not 'rolling coal' with my exhaust pointed at her.

Posted by Pepperidge
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
4313 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 4:06 pm to
Hold out for an '06 LBZ Duramax with the 6 spd Allison ...much more refined setup than the 04.5-05 LLY

but run away from the 01-04 LB7...injector issues will make you miserable!
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 4:15 pm to
That Duramax isn't the most friendly if you're just a shade tree mechanic. Changing the fuel filter requires removing the passenger side wheel shroud to reach the thing. Unless you are a contortionist and can reach it from the top of the engine. Batteries are jammed in tight. Oil filter is a breeze but the drain pan has a really fricked up design. Trans filter is readily accessible. Never once changed a starter on mine. Had the alternator replaced professionally so I never screwed with it.
Overall, filter changes were easy. Other items may make you question GM engineering.
Best of all...no emissions BS to deal with.
All the sexy electronics weren't available then, so you may not be able to stream music, but you won't have as many potential electronic issues either
Posted by FournetteForEver7
Member since Nov 2015
2295 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 6:26 pm to
Would be careful. Thats the lly motor. Not as bad as lb7 but still not the greatest. Look in coolant jug and make sure there is coolant and not water(meaning the truck could have blown headgakets). Would get an 06-07 with the lbz motor if i were looking. My opinion its the best motor/truck out there. Im not even a real big fan of gm diesels so thats says something.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 6:35 pm to
I like this thread. Been thinking about trading my '13 6.0 for a diesel
Posted by DonChowder
Sonoma County
Member since Dec 2012
9249 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 6:50 pm to
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2005


Check to make sure it's late year 2005. There was a change in that year where the injectors were upgraded. I had the late year and had no problems. Early 2005s might cost you with injector replacement. +/- 5 grand.
Posted by DownHome
Below the Equator
Member since Jan 2012
10117 posts
Posted on 1/9/17 at 7:27 pm to
As usual the OB does not fail to deliver. A lot of great advice and good little tips. Knew I came to the right place when seeking a little knowledge. My hat off to all that responded.

Ran across a 2004 Chevy 2500Hd with 147000 on it and by the pictures looks like it just came off the lot. Been trying to contact the owner so I can schedule a look at it. Asking price is the same as the GMC 2005. Believe the engine and transmission is the same set up. Won't know until I talked to the owner.

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