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Cost analysis opinion on Polymer Pistos vs AR-15
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:03 pm
It's such a stretch to ask this with all the variables in AR's today.
But think about a Glock/SW/Springfield etc. at my local gun store is 499.
Supply and demand have dictated that the added value in metal and plastic for pistols has STILL stayed high.
Granted, a glock is not a hi point; and a Colt (or insert your favorite brand AR; i wont argue with you) is not a bargain brand AR.
But the question that Gun Stores and buyers have is, "How can a quality polymer pistol be as much as or more expensive than a 16" Carbine length AR build? Edited
It's such a good question to ask about what the future of AR prices will dip down to, barring the telltale tragedy. Or will the quality polymer pistols finally peak and take a drastic turn to the mid 300 dollar range?
But think about a Glock/SW/Springfield etc. at my local gun store is 499.
Supply and demand have dictated that the added value in metal and plastic for pistols has STILL stayed high.
Granted, a glock is not a hi point; and a Colt (or insert your favorite brand AR; i wont argue with you) is not a bargain brand AR.
But the question that Gun Stores and buyers have is, "How can a quality polymer pistol be as much as or more expensive than a 16" Carbine length AR build? Edited
It's such a good question to ask about what the future of AR prices will dip down to, barring the telltale tragedy. Or will the quality polymer pistols finally peak and take a drastic turn to the mid 300 dollar range?
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 5:38 am
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Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:10 pm to dstone12
14.5 would make it an SBR, and I haven't seen many cheap SBRs
But you are asking how a quality striker fired pistol can be as much as a bottom of the barrel AR?
But you are asking how a quality striker fired pistol can be as much as a bottom of the barrel AR?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:12 pm to dstone12
Because polymer pistols are built with proprietary and specific parts. Costs a lot more to setup an injection moulding machine to produce a plastic frame with steel inserts than it does to setup a CNC mill to cut on a highly standardized AR receiver forging.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:19 pm to Clames
What he said
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:30 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
How come AR parts cost so damn much. Nothing to most of the parts.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:50 pm to dstone12
If you use Glock as your example, which is a good one as all they make are polymers, margins play a big role. Glock has gross margins well over 60%, while traditional metal gun manufacturers have margins in the 30% range. Glock has higher one-time setup costs, but with their scale, manufacturing costs are much lower.
Glock and polymer manufacturers are taking advantage of perceived value of the polymer frame as they should.
Glock and polymer manufacturers are taking advantage of perceived value of the polymer frame as they should.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:05 pm to Crawdaddy
The basic, no frills parts are fairly cheap. Something like a billet aluminum free float handguard is going to cost some money. CNC time isn't cheap when it comes down to maintenance, tooling, and technician to run it.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:46 am to dstone12
I'm too lazy to look up the exact numbers, but if memory serves...
In 2012 there were 800,000+ AR type rifles manufactured in the US. This is just complete rifles, so stripped/complete lowers aren't reflected in these numbers. That would add many many many more to the number.
In 2012 there were ~4 million handguns produced.
supply and demand.
ETA: There are also a lot of things besides the cost of materials that go into producing a product. Regs, manufacturing, R&D, labor, packaging, freight, advertising, etc...
In 2012 there were 800,000+ AR type rifles manufactured in the US. This is just complete rifles, so stripped/complete lowers aren't reflected in these numbers. That would add many many many more to the number.
In 2012 there were ~4 million handguns produced.
supply and demand.
ETA: There are also a lot of things besides the cost of materials that go into producing a product. Regs, manufacturing, R&D, labor, packaging, freight, advertising, etc...
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 12:49 am
Posted on 11/5/14 at 5:39 am to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
This is exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Posted on 11/5/14 at 7:29 am to dstone12
I just wanted to point out that I'm proud of HK for actually lowering the price of their striker fired VP9 gun because it was cheaper to make than the DA/SA. They could have put it at P30 prices and still sold them.
Bought mine for 540 and a P30 would have been around 750. Same gun pretty much except for the striker fired.
Bought mine for 540 and a P30 would have been around 750. Same gun pretty much except for the striker fired.
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 7:30 am
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