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Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:44 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Colorado has become west California.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 5:58 am to jflsufan
I’ll let you in on a little secret, the wolves are already in Colorado from when they were released in Yellowstone.
I think letting the population trickle in from Wyoming is the best option though. Reintroduction will hurt the elk population for the first couple of years.
I think letting the population trickle in from Wyoming is the best option though. Reintroduction will hurt the elk population for the first couple of years.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 7:25 am to bamarep
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So basically, everywhere that doesn't know shite about wolves or risk having to live along side them voted to reintroduce them.
Makes sense.
Unfortunately that is the way it tends to go... Populated areas make decisions and rural areas get screwed. The majority of California if you look at area wise is conservative. Modoc, Lassen, Shasta, and other counties are every bit as conservative as South Louisiana. But not a lot of people so they get Fricked.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 7:26 am to hubreb
Wolves are great for outfitters, gives them a built in excuse..
Posted on 12/22/23 at 7:29 am to Ace Midnight
Well, it's west from here!!!
Posted on 12/22/23 at 7:32 am to Taxman2010
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not one even semblance of an argument as to why wolves should be in colorado.
Replaces hunters
Posted on 12/22/23 at 7:38 am to jflsufan
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Didn’t these people watch Yellowstone.
The soap opera?
Posted on 12/22/23 at 8:09 am to hubreb
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watching them chase skiers in Aspen
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:05 am to Junky
But the governor said now we can hear wolves for the first time in decades. The 10 wolves that were already here were the silent type.
The worst part is people voted to reintroduce wolves without increasing taxes to pay for it. This expensive project funding is coming out of the general LWF budget. It’s a zero sum game so something else had to lose for the wolves to win.
The worst part is people voted to reintroduce wolves without increasing taxes to pay for it. This expensive project funding is coming out of the general LWF budget. It’s a zero sum game so something else had to lose for the wolves to win.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:08 am to lsupride87
quote:predator, prey and people are all connected. That’s how the natural world works. Man is simply the only apex predator capable of managing the prey herd through unnatural means. Elk evolved alongside wolf, each is a critical component to the health of the other. Without the wolf, the elk cannot be as sustainable as it should and could be.
Wolves have no place with modern humans in our populated society. . Both Apex predators and the prey can’t support both
if we are to argue that man has replaced the wolf as the elk’s primary predator, then “we” need to stop taking trophy bulls and start taking the weak, sick, elderly and infirm animals (just like the wolf does)
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:16 am to cgrand
quote:No.If the wolf wants the elk back it should evolve and take over man
predator, prey and people are all connected. That’s how the natural world works. Man is simply the only apex predator capable of managing the prey herd through unnatural means. Elk evolved alongside wolf, each is a critical component to the health of the other. Without the wolf, the elk cannot be as sustainable as it should and could be. if we are to argue that man has replaced the wolf as the elk’s primary predator, then “we” need to stop taking trophy bulls and start taking the weak, sick, elderly and infirm animals (just like the wolf does)
Modern man with its modern ranches and elk hunting does not coincide with wolves. Trying to reintroduce them is dumb and emotional based. We aren’t changing, it’s a dumb principle
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 9:18 am
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:21 am to cgrand
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start taking the weak, sick, elderly and infirm animals (just like the wolf does)
Oh boy here we go.
Just leave out the healthy baby animals part of it.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:27 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
It’s a complete emotional argument. Modern man does a great job of keeping the elk population in check. We don’t need wolves, wolves only hurt the elk and other animals ranchers have.
I guess his argument is we bring back wolves and man lives it’s life like it was 500 years ago again so the wolves can be happy
I guess his argument is we bring back wolves and man lives it’s life like it was 500 years ago again so the wolves can be happy
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 9:29 am
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:45 am to bamarep
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that doesn't know shite about wolves or risk having to live along side them
Would you really be scared to live in an area where some wolves were released? The last time someone was reportedly killed by a wolf in the US was 13 years ago and it was in Alaska. Like 4 deaths in the past 80 years. This isn't going to be a danger for humans.
Edit: I'm not saying re-introducing them was a good idea, just simply that it would be pretty dumb to be afraid to live or go in an area where the handful of wolves that were introduced live, you're not going to get attacked. If you're a farmer and worried about your livestock, that's a different issue.
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 9:54 am
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:52 am to cgrand
quote:This.
predator, prey and people are all connected. That’s how the natural world works. Man is simply the only apex predator capable of managing the prey herd through unnatural means. Elk evolved alongside wolf, each is a critical component to the health of the other. Without the wolf, the elk cannot be as sustainable as it should and could be.
if we are to argue that man has replaced the wolf as the elk’s primary predator, then “we” need to stop taking trophy bulls and start taking the weak, sick, elderly and infirm animals (just like the wolf does)
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:05 am to AlxTgr
So you boys all for reintroducing the red wolf here and limiting deer hunting and telling the farmers to deal with it? 
We do not need wolves anymore to control wildlife populations. We have taken their place. What is the non emotional reasoning for doing this?
We do not need wolves anymore to control wildlife populations. We have taken their place. What is the non emotional reasoning for doing this?
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:08 am to lsupride87
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here and limiting deer hunting
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:09 am to lsupride87
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We do not need wolves anymore to control wildlife populations. We have taken their place.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:10 am to AlxTgr
Why are you laughing? Are you saying deer and other animals in Louisiana are out of control due to the red wolf leaving? Are you saying Colorado was struggling with their elk population without the wolves being populated in numbers?
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